Ken
thanks a lot -
I think the proposed list of keywords ( taxonomy ) for the framework
is definitely an artifact,
I have started it off here - I also have a student working on that,
but I would not rely on that for progress (01)
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ProjectKeywords (02)
Is your effort compatible/complementary to mine? Shall we join resources? (03)
thanks!
PDM (04)
On 10/15/07, Ken Baclawski <kenb@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2007, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> > Kurt - not sure why you were in the cc of the first mail, apols
> > I think the person who has already started working along similar
> > linkes is Ken Baklavski, maybe we got mixed up somewhere along the
> > lines. The question was intended for Ken
> >
> > corrige/
> > I think the keyword project was suggested from the need to find a way
> > to 'map' the resources using terms and concepts expressed as tags
> > referencing the framework -
> > the idea seemed to gear into Ken'st and Ontologizing efforts,
> >
> > so to help us make a decision on how to proceed best
> >
> > 1. status of Ken and Ontologizing efforts in their respective
> > projects- I Ken do you have an outline and any activity from your
> > side to share? do you see scope for synergy? Is yours a personal
> > project?
>
> My current activity is to populate the framework with artifacts. See
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2007_FollowUp#nid12RO
>
> The framework dimensions are being assessed using the criteria given at:
>
>
>http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2007_FrameworksForConsideration/AssessmentCriteria
>
> One of my students is working on it, but I hope that the activity will
> eventually involve a larger group.
>
> -- Ken
>
> > /corrige
> >
> > BELOW LINKS TO THE PROJECT
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Here is a page describing roughly the idea, ready to be discussed/improved
> > http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ProjectKeywords
> >
> > On that page, there is a link to:
> >
> > http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?FrameworkKeywords
> > (first scrape of keywords)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/12/07, Kurt Conrad <conrad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> At 2007-10-04 20:43, you wrote:
> >>> 1. status of Kurt and Ontologizing efforts in their respective
> >>> projects- I Kurt do you have an outline and any activity from your
> >>> side to share? do you see scope for synergy? Is yours a personal
> >>> project?
> >>
> >>
> >> Paula,
> >>
> >> I just noticed the questions directed to me.
> >>
> >> I don't have any current ontology projects. I have a couple
> >> tentative projects, but they are commercial and non-sharable if they
> >> materialize.
> >>
> >> Any other thoughts?
> >>
> >> /s/ kwc 2007.10.11 13:40
> >>
> >> ___________________________________________________________________
> >> Kurt Conrad
> >> 588 Bancroft St.
> >> Santa Clara, CA 95051-5612
> >> (408) 247-0454
> >> mailto:conrad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> www.SagebrushGroup.com
> >>
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Oct 5, 2007 10:43 AM
> > Subject: Project Keywords
> > To: Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: Deborah MacPherson <debmacp@xxxxxxxxx>, "Obrst, Leo J."
> > <lobrst@xxxxxxxxx>, Kurt Conrad <conrad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > Ontologizing-Ontolog <ontologizing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >
> > Hi Peter
> > Thanks for the reminder
> >
> > I have not put in any further effort, but the requirement is still
> > there, to map the existing body of work onto the framework -
> >
> > I think the keyword project was suggested from the need to find a way
> > to 'map' the resources using terms and concepts expressed as tags
> > referencing the framework -
> > the idea seemed to gear into Kurt and Ontologizing efforts,
> >
> > so to help us make a decision on how to proceed best
> >
> > 1. status of Kurt and Ontologizing efforts in their respective
> > projects- I Kurt do you have an outline and any activity from your
> > side to share? do you see scope for synergy? Is yours a personal
> > project?
> >
> > 2. Deborah, you seemed interested in working on this, apols I did not
> > follow up, are you still up for it shall we make a plan? anyone else
> > interested?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Paola Di Maio
> >
> >
> > On 10/5/07, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> Paola,
> >>
> >> Ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ProjectKeywords
> >>
> >> Almost a month has passed since you brought up, and posted your intent
> >> to start this "ProjectKeywords" as an Ontolog community project.
> >>
> >> We haven't seen much activity in getting that off the ground since
> >> (you may be putting in a lot of effort, its just that it is not
> >> obvious to the community.)
> >>
> >> Therefore, please consider whether you would still want to proceed, or
> >> whether you would just want to run this as a personal project (or even
> >> running it in a different setting.) ... Either way, I think we should
> >> have a disposition, and bring closure to the matter one way or the
> >> other.
> >>
> >> Let me know.
> >>
> >> Thanks & regards. =ppy
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/5/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>> Sure Peter
> >>>
> >>> I have placed an entry under 'projects' , with a preliminary list of
> >>> keywords to be hacked
> >>> and a couple of links and mails are already on the list - we can do a
> >>> more formal call after we get the feedback from the people more
> >>> immediately concerned
> >>> thanks a lot for your support
> >>> it is after all midnight, and I am still at my desk
> >>> sic
> >>> cheers
> >>> pdm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 9/6/07, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>> No problem ... (just getting teething problems out of the way), Paola.
> >>>>
> >>>> Project meetings only needs to suite the project team members, and do
> >>>> not have to be on done at the "regular" Ontolog weekly meeting time
> >>>> slots (in fact, most don't.) I regularly confer with parties in Asia
> >>>> (and different parts of the world) myself ... therefore (of course,
> >>>> depending on who else is on the team too), your location should not
> >>>> pose major problems to synchronous meeting. Worse case ... please use
> >>>> the mailing list and "meet" asynchronously.
> >>>>
> >>>> Since you've started this, please continue and make a call for
> >>>> participation to the forum when you are ready for it. You can suggest
> >>>> a tentative meeting date and then work out the final meeting date/time
> >>>> after you have a team.
> >>>>
> >>>> The important thing is that the project is done in an open,
> >>>> transparent, community process, that is properly documented ... and
> >>>> that the process, in addition to the deliverables, gets captured into
> >>>> the Ontolog dynamic knowledge repository (dubbed our "collaborative
> >>>> work environment".)
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks & regards. =ppy
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 9/5/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>> Sorry Peter
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am totally extemporal
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The project page is started with some preliminary notes today, and it
> >>>>> is open for the community to change and make a meeting date as per the
> >>>>> commnity charter
> >>>>> I have a problem with meeting times, as i am the other side of the
>world
> >>>>> as you know. In the meantime, I have started some keywords for
>discussion
> >>>>> anyone who wants to take the next step, please add your name on the
>project page
> >>>>> and suggest next steps including the meeting and other issues
> >>>>>
> >>>>> cheers
> >>>>> P
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 9/5/07, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>>> [PDM] (c) Launch date - Today!
> >>>>>>> I do not forsee the need for a 'meeting as such', ...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [ppy] The requirement for a project charter and a team (minimum 3
> >>>>>> people) is to ensure that projects being hosted are actually
> >>>>>> "community" projects and not "personal" projects.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I appreciate your attitude towards the matter, Paola, but please also
> >>>>>> help keep the community process intact.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks. =ppy
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 9/5/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Peter, Deborah
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> while I was writing the email I was also thinking 'should i volunteer
> >>>>>>> ' but then deleted the thought and went on with my chores - thanks for
> >>>>>>> the encouragement
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It makes sense to develop a single set of keywords, events should use
> >>>>>>> the same tag set as all other resources, so I suggest project Keywords
> >>>>>>> is started, draft here
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ProjectKeywords
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'll start extracting and list the keywords from the framework, and we
> >>>>>>> can take it from there?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> everyone welcome to edit/add/change including those who have already
> >>>>>>> started similar efforts
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> - Some suggestions for discussion below
> >>>>>>> - shall we continue this thread on the ontologizing mailing list? (cc)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> (a) a project title
> >>>>>>> Project Keywords (towards a thesaurus)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> (b) goals:
> >>>>>>> To make a list of tags to associate with our resources
> >>>>>>> Such list should be structured and should reflect where possible the
>framework
> >>>>>>> Such list should also serve as possible launch pad for new ideas to be
> >>>>>>> incorporated in the framework at a later date (keywords not in the
> >>>>>>> framework can be used )
> >>>>>>> The purpose of the list of tags is to start forming a semantic
> >>>>>>> structure against which we can map existing and forthcoming resources
> >>>>>>> Quality of the list: The terms used should be unambiguos and well
>defined
> >>>>>>> We can use synonyms where more than one choice of term is possible
> >>>>>>> The keywords produced on this list can be used/merged with other
>related efforts
> >>>>>>> This project shall end when we have enough keywords to map our
> >>>>>>> resources against our domain (likely to remain ongoin)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Deliverables
> >>>>>>> ---------------------
> >>>>>>> a set of keyterms mapped around the framework
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Suggested Process:
> >>>>>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>>>> Phase one
> >>>>>>> ------------------
> >>>>>>> 1) make an initial list of keywords that define the framework (extract
> >>>>>>> these from the framework statment and diagrams (paola volunteers to
> >>>>>>> do this first step)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2) ask the author of each document on the wiki to extract the keywords
> >>>>>>> from their document/presentation/slides onto the keywords of the
> >>>>>>> framework
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Phase two
> >>>>>>> --------------------
> >>>>>>> set up discussion as required
> >>>>>>> Merge/evolve the set of keywords using other sets of keywords produced
> >>>>>>> by related efforts
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Phase three
> >>>>>>> --------------------
> >>>>>>> Produce a working document (deliverable)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> (c) Launch date - Today! .
> >>>>>>> I do not forsee the need for a 'meeting as such', but should anyone
> >>>>>>> have anything to discuss or questions that cannot be handled by email
> >>>>>>> they can call a meeting anytime.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am available on skype /blogconthai/ anytime (well before 10 Pm BKK
> >>>>>>> time is good for me,) and on gmail - I am also happy to work asynch
> >>>>>>> I have opened a chat room on skype for voice and text
> >>>>>>>
>http://ui.skype.com/ui/0/3.2.0.148/en/publicchats-join?skypename=blogconthai&topic=Ontology%20Keywords&blob=CFbslW-yDnKHbko2iKrF5kPFyPi0jyRMgut6Z1x0su_7_2GlBR06wbRBLjsQqd-uOYoHGtI
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [1], Ken Baclawsaki > is championing a similar exercise for artifacts
> >>>>>>> collected from the
> >>>>>>>> OntologySummit2007_Survey
> >>>>>>> ken - can you share your tags so far?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [2] > ... some coordination between this potential task team and
>his, and,
> >>>>>>>> as previously mentioned, to the OntologTaxoThesaurus project work
> >>>>>>> please Ontotaxo group point to the latest list of tems extracted, at
> >>>>>>> least we can start looking at it? Shall we continue this thread on
> >>>>>>> the ontologizing list to keep the coordination going?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> PDM
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
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> >>>>> School of IT
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> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
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