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Re: [ontolog-forum] SEMANTiCS 2015 - vanished contribution

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From: Ronald Stamper <stamper.measur@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 19:50:37 +0100
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Late at night I sent my message not just to Tassilo but to Ontolog.  No harm done I hope?

My challenge to UML is its overweening dominance.  As I said, the “flow paradigm” and the specification tools are versions of those
employed in Taylor’s work study analyses of factory operations, via office work study.

The fundamentally different “knowledge field" methods we developed worked so well that think it is worth challenging UML’s dominance.
That does not imply that UML should be dispensed with.  I agree with John, those tools with have plenty of use still. I still keep
that ancient tool, the bradawl for making small holes.

The problem with a paradigm that leads people to think of organisation as a matter of information plumbing is that it fails to make the
analyst think carefully enough about the purpoaed of an organisation.

I have been shocked by some of the dismissive reactions to criticism of UML. 
I hope to see our methods tested on more actual problems.  Experience so far suggest that that the risk is very low.  But I’m told that the
unwillingness of business to examine our methods is summed up in the wise managers’ motto “No one was sacked for using IBM”

There are two papers on a website that I’ve had no time to augment while occupied as a carer.  So forgive its limited value.

Comments will be welcome. 

Ronald

On 24 Aug 2015, at 14:00, John F Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wroteg

Ronald,

I sympathize:

I would like to contribute but I fear that not conforming
to the orthodox “truth” may rule me out.  I’ve been told
not to challenge UML or the so-called “ontologies” of
the Semantic Web.

I wouldn't "challenge" UML or SW ontologies.  They are useful
for what they do.  But that is just a tiny part of the full
semantics of natural languages and the open-ended range of
everything that people do.

For a broader view of semantics, see the slides for "natural
logic":  http://www.jfsowa.com/talks/natlog.pdf

General principle:  Anything that anybody has found useful for
any purpose is indeed useful.  That includes UML, SW ontologies,
etc.  Those methods should be accommodated.

But they should be embedded within the infinite framework of
everything that anybody anywhere for any purpose has found
useful for anything.  NLs do that.  Our artificial systems
must also be able to grow to accommodate the full range.

John

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