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Re: [ontolog-forum] The Singularity is Coming, The Singularity is Coming

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From: Phil Murray <pcmurray2000@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:33:58 -0500
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My first reaction, based on a quick glance at the Singularity.org web site:    (01)

The term "singularity" is unfortunate. By drawing a parallel with black 
holes, they do themselves a disservice.  It's more like a "theory of 
everything," IMHO. And there is also some risk, I think, among these 
folks that they may fall into the same trap that early robotics 
visionaries (at least the science fiction people) fell into: That 
advanced, useful robots would look a lot like people. Do the singularity 
folks believe that the bigger-better-faster artificial brain will look a 
lot like our own brains? (I don't mean in the literal sense, of course.)    (02)

Creating a "singularity" may not, by itself, be a critical human 
endeavor, but the issues surrounding that effort should be relevant to 
the ontology community.    (03)

Advances in human society have come through observation of the 
activities of others and oral sharing of "knowledge." More recently, 
through sharing of recorded information.    (04)

The problem we face currently is too much information and too little 
knowledge. We are reaching the limits of what information can do for us. 
Instead of paying attention to how people create, manage, and apply 
knowledge, we have focused primarily on making incremental improvements 
in information retrieval from ever larger resources and other marginal 
improvements that are based on processing the surface characteristics of 
natural language. Unfortunately, the amount of information is so great 
that a significant portion of the human community simply surrenders and 
resorts to slogans and meaning-free diatribes where knowledge should, as 
always, be applied.    (05)

Speaking as someone from outside the ontology community (but deeply 
interested in its activities), if ontology rests fundamentally on 
formalization of mapping of signs to/from meaning and "real-world" 
objects (as in the Ogden-Richards triangle), then the issues surrounding 
development of a "singularity" should be highly relevant to the ontology 
community ... but the community must first accept that ontologies are 
only one aspect of capture, management, improvement, and application of 
knowledge.    (06)

Hans Polzer's observation that "'frictional losses' and 'inherent 
latency' associated with communicating/disseminating knowledge" begins 
to get at that assertion, although M. Polzer seems rather pessimistic 
about the prospects. What's missing, I believe, as that we have to do a 
very thoughtful analysis of what actually happens when members of 
knowledge-driven organizations communicate with each other, develop 
shared understandings of ideas, and apply that meaning to work.    (07)

And, no, I'm not referring to a lot of the ungrounded silliness that 
goes on in "knowledge management." I am referring primarily to finding 
better ways to convert existing communications into formal, reusable 
representations of meaning as well as to methods of starting with 
meaning ... and viewing information as a necessary but often 
less-than-useful byproduct. We need to go more directly to meaning, 
understand its role as an organizational asset. (Information is 
primarily a cost of doing business, not an asset.)    (08)

There are in fact *many* different communities/disciplines that can and 
should contribute to a shared understanding of how we can make work and 
society in general better. But we lack a shared language and shared 
model for what happens in the processes of building shared, reliable 
meaning.    (09)

-- Phil Murray    (010)


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Hans Polzer wrote:
> My own perspective is that neither Big Data nor Big Processing nor
> Intelligence, however they may be defined, is sufficient for achieving "the
> Singularity". It requires actuators in physical space (3-D printers,
> anyone?) of sufficient capability to build improved actuators so that
> improvements in information/knowledge space can translate into improved
> hardware capabilities to implement better information/knowledge space
> capabilities and so on in what is hopefully an exponential runaway (positive
> feedback loop - also known as "feedback") process. My own opinion is that
> "frictional losses" and "inherent latency" associated with
> communicating/disseminating knowledge will begin to dominate this process
> and keep it from staying exponential for very long (if it is in fact
> exponential now - a very debatable point). In other words, there won't be a
> Singularity - only a fast but long and possibly erratic elevator ride (as
> specific fundamental physical laws are uncovered and obstacles overcome).
>
> Hans
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Bottoms
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 2:26 PM
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> Subject: [ontolog-forum] The Singularity is Coming, The Singularity is
> Coming!
>
> (IMHO this is a topic of ontology...)
>
> It is a topic of discussion among technologists.
> Ask what the Singularity means, and you will get several answers.
>
> Some of these answers compound Big Processing with Big Data.
> Some of these answers confound Big Data with Intelligence
>
> So I try to be sympathetic and reason with them arguing connectionist
> systems vs grammar based systems. This has resulted in little success.
>
> What is the best way to address the "Potential of the Singulairty"?
>
> -John Bottoms
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