|To:||doug@xxxxxxxxxx, "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>|
|From:||William Frank <williamf.frank@xxxxxxxxx>|
|Date:||Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:33:34 -0400|
This is very interesting to me, Doug. |
Most importantly, it seems to me you are pointing out that as a giving event instance, there are an indefinitely large number of attributes we could apply to the event, in addition to identifying the participants in the event in there roles, leading to the fact that the number or roles, (as well the multiplicity of each role) is not predetermined, except by how much or little about the event we are choosing to model. There is indefinitely more to giving than the giver, the given, and the recipient, and say, the timestamp boundaries of the event.
But also as you suggest, "give" does not seem to imply 'move', unless perhaps one defines giving as moving ownership without an exchange in the other direction, and adequate account of give involving many specific relations between other things and this event instance.
I add that "subject" and "object" are far from universal semantic concepts. They are particular to the grammars of some languages, and they are information poor, and only apply a meaningful semantics to 'subject' when the subject happens to be the proximate cause of the event named by the verb.
For example, giver and given as roles in the GIVING event type, [or (given the duality of events and relationships) in the GIVEN relationship] can be mapped to languages without subjects and objects, and to any of the three ways in which Tom, the Book, and Mary can be subjects and objects and indirect objects in English, with its highly irregular grammar. And, can be more easily applied to events in which the proximate cause of the event is not also one of the roles in a simple model, such as Tom tripped over the book. So, it iseems to me that NKRL might have missed some already well oiled wheels, rather than reinventing them.
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:27 AM, doug foxvog <doug@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Thu, September 6, 2012 10:30, Gian Piero Zarri wrote:
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