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[ontolog-forum] FW: Self Interest Ontology - Bacteria Use Case 1

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From: "Richard Vines" <plessons@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:23:25 +1000
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Hi Avril:


> The hierarchy of levels is central to e.g. David

> Bohm's ontology and a good intro to that can be found e.g. from Paavo

> Pylkkänen's Mind, Matter and the Implicate Order.


Like others, if you have anything on this, this would be interesting.


> If anyone is aware of citations of systems alike, please let me know, thanx!


Whilst this paper  on autopoiesis is not exactly in line with your request for a “system alike’, it still might be useful. Note that this paper is about knowledge in higher order sense (i.e. self sustaining organisations). These matters remain highly contested. The areas of substantial controversy lie at the boundaries between the ontologies of knowledge premised on constructivist and the realist world views. I am very interested in the prospects of reconciling these positions and think that Karl Popper’s three world ontology offers a starting point for this to be explored. I think Popper’s ontology can be consistent with both a constructivist and a realist’s position, but there are now 30 years on, quite a few missing ingredients for it to be coherent.


> For instance, a level n property P_n is composed of level n-1

> constituents, where the constituents are members of P_n. The

> constituents of a property are lower-level properties and relations.

> P_n = the constituent properties of P_n + the relations between the

> properties. Emergence is a tag for complexity that is not understood

> or explained.


If you want to read a paper that highlights why emergence is a tag for complexity that is not understood or explained, then you might also be interested in this piece on chromosome variation. Again, it is not quite what you are after, but could be useful as background to your views about hierarchy.





Papers quoted are:

  1. Hall, W.P., Nousala, S. 2010. Autopoiesis and knowledge in self-sustaining organizational systems. 4th International Multi-Conference on Society, Cybernetics and Informatics: IMSCI 2010, June 29th - July 2nd, 2010 – Orlando, Fla.
  2. Hall, W.P. 2010. Chromosome variation, genomics, speciation and evolution in Seceloporus lizards. Cytogenetics and Genome Research (DOI:10.1159/000304050).



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