Rh
>You know how those
obstinate stones can be until they get to know you.
Rich, that is cryptic and I am clueless.
Regarding Plato and Denis Duttons quotes, ( my first email)
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder " vs
"Beauty is in "culturally conditioned" eye of the beholder "
Denis Dutton had to do the presentation of justification and build Ontology for the concept of Beauty to include those two words in that statement.
I thought that was interesting.
Regards,
Pavithra
--- On Sun, 2/13/11, Rich Cooper <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Rich Cooper <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] IBM Watson on Jeopardy
To: "'Godfrey Rust'" <godfrey.rust@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"'[ontolog-forum] '" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sunday, February 13, 2011, 8:43 PM
Hi Godfrey,
(Postmodernism? I hadn’t heard of
them heretofore. Who are they?)
Thanks for the cogent comments, but maybe the
stones just haven’t come up with anything to say to each other yet. Start
a Search for Any Stone Unturned with Intelligence (SASUI), get funding, and we
can keep listening to the stones until evidence accrues and we can render an
informed opinion. Until then, one guess is as good as another. You know how those
obstinate stones can be until they get to know you.
-Rich
Sincerely,
Rich Cooper
EnglishLogicKernel.com
Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
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[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Godfrey Rust
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011
3:04 PM
To: [ontolog-forum]
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] IBM
Watson on Jeopardy
Just a qualification on your full-on postmodernism:
there may well be objective universal truth - unfortunately
if there is we have a vanishingly small chance of ever being able to perceive
it adequately, and no chance at all of agreeing on our perceptions of it, so
the practical result is the same.
The stones, of course, may well have realised all this a
long time before us, having been around much longer than we have to reflect on
it, and have wisely decided just to shut up.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February
13, 2011 10:13 PM
Subject: Re:
[ontolog-forum] IBM Watson on Jeopardy
Hi Pavithra,
You wrote:
If truth is perceived as truth everywhere, lawyers would be
out of work..
How is it possible that truth could be
universal? Truth is ALWAYS personally perceived by an agent –
nonagentive objects, such as stones, just don’t get it since they
can’t discuss truth.
Other agents may signal their own
perception of the same signal, and even agree in discussions about “the
meaning” of the symbol as they two perceive it. It is still a
personally perceived truth, not universal simply because others share some of
our signals.
JMHO,
-Rich
Sincerely,
Rich Cooper
EnglishLogicKernel.com
Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
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From:
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[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pavithra
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011
1:43 PM
To: [ontolog-forum]
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] IBM
Watson on Jeopardy
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Dr. Sowa
Plato said "beuty is in the eye of the beholder"
Dennis Burt said , "Beauty is in the culturally conditioned mind
of the beholder"... ( one of those motivational speakers for
aesthetics )
http://www.ted.com/talks/denis_dutton_a_darwinian_theory_of_beauty.html
Truth can be heard and seen by those who are seeking.. If
seeking truth does not fit the agenda or criteria, then people do hear
or not hear, see or not see what they hear or see..
If truth is perceived as truth everywhere, lawyers would be out of
work..
.
Regards,
Pavithra
--- On Sun, 2/13/11, John F. Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
From: John F. Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] IBM Watson on Jeopardy
To: ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sunday, February 13, 2011, 8:18 AM
Vincent and Rich,
JFS
>> That is also true of people. As the saying goes, generals are
>> very good at fighting the last war, but not the current one.
VW
> If that saying were true, there'd be ZERO
> national security - for any country.
You need to study military history. The leaders who win
are the ones who can innovate to meet changing conditions.
But most leaders in every field aren't innovative -- they
just repeat what worked last time.
RC
> we are buying a bunch of F-35's to fight international terrorism.
That is comparable to the French building the Maginot line after WW I.
It's a hugely expensive waste of money on systems that would have
been useful in the past.
VW
> I'll just repeat one of my earlier statements: "There are lots
> of sayings among us which should be relegated to the past -
> and left there - where they belong..."
You can repeat that, but it won't make it true.
A better guideline is one of my favorite quotations from
Alfred North Whitehead:
"Every great truth is only half true."
That means that every proverb, principle, or ideology has
to be re-evaluated in terms of current conditions in order
to determine which half is appropriate.
The most dangerous offenders are politicians who repeat
half truths until they make the voters believe them.
John
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