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Re: [ontolog-forum] Fw: Foundation ontology, CYC, and Mapping

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From: "Matthew West" <dr.matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:52:39 -0000
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Dear Pat and Sean,    (01)

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> Subject: [ontolog-forum] Fw: Foundation ontology, CYC, and Mapping
>  Patrick
>  ISO 10303 has taken a piecemeal approach to the well understood
> problem
>  of communicating engineering data between professional organizations.
>  So far it has taken about 30 years to develop, and the development
>  investment for the standard alone was estimated at $500 million
> several
>  I'm sure Matthew could come up with some equally significant figures
> for
> ISO 15926.    (02)

MW: ISO 15926 is a lot cheaper. As far as I know no one has actually counted
the cost, but my guess is in the range of $20-$50m over 20 years. As with
ISO 10303 there have been significant deployments, and a number of CAD
systems claim compliance.
>  If you want traction, you will need to persuade players at level of
>  government agencies and major industrial players that what you are
>  proposing is well founded and doable, and will build on existing
>  capabilities. If you want a brick wall, then try telling them they
> need
>  to start again.    (03)

MW: That is probably more negative than it needs to be. Both ISO 10303 and
ISO 15926, and indeed several other industrial data standards are developed
by ISO TC184/SC4. As it happens I am the UK rep on the Policy and Planning
Committee, so I have an insight into, and influence, on the strategic
thinking of that committee. What they do understand is that what they have
that is valuable is the knowledge that is wrapped up in their standards,
rather than the particular technologies currently in use. They are also
aware that there are new technologies, particularly related to the semantic
web, which they need to adopt and use to deploy the knowledge they have.
That does not make it any easier to do of course.    (04)

MW: Many of you may have noticed Howard Mason's involvement in the Units of
Measure activity. He is the Chair of ISO TC184/SC4. So you can take it the
time of kicking and screaming is past.    (05)

MW: On the other hand there is not the enormous sums of money you might
think you need. Most standards development is underfunded, because the
benefits are usually over the horizon of most people's short term view and
performance measurement. So you need to think about how you can start small,
and build momentum.    (06)

Regards    (07)

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