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Re: [ontolog-forum] A different approach to ontology

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From: york earwaker <yorkearwaker@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 01:24:40 -0700 (PDT)
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Hi John,
Interesting idea of the three views so of reality. There has been a not to 
disimilar discussion at the VPEC-T wiki exploring similar ideas, please see 
http://vpect.scribblewiki.com/VPEC-T_Concepts_%26_Ontology_Wormholes     (01)

All the best,
York.    (02)

----- Original Message ----
> From: John F. Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Sent: Wednesday, 7 May, 2008 10:52:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] A different approach to ontology
> 
> Ronald,
> 
> I strongly agree with many of the points you made.
> But it's important to make solid points rather than
> quibbles about terminology.  For example:
> 
> JS> I suggest that we avoid talking about different
> > realities.  It is better to say that each agent has
> > its own view of reality.
> 
> MW: Yes. But is that what Ronald means?
> 
> RSRS>> No! Each isolated agent has its own reality.
> > The expression "its own view of reality" presupposes
> > the existence of just one reality observable by whom,
> > we are not vouched safe unless by God as in Berkeley's
> > opinion.  I find it safer to assume that each organism
> > constructs its own directly experienced reality
> 
> As a general principle, words that create endless and
> unresolvable debate should be replaced by other terms
> that avoid creating confusion.  I admit that using
> the term 'reality' in the phrase 'each agent's view
> of reality' presupposes some agreement on what the
> term 'reality' without qualifications might mean.
> 
> That is an interesting question in itself, but to avoid it
> for now, I suggest that we adopt terminology originally
> proposed by the biologist Jakob Johann von Uexküll.
> 
> The German word 'Umwelt', usually translated 'environment',
> originally meant a common objective environment for everyone.
> Uexküll, however, observed that animals of different species
> have widely different sensory abilities.  He therefore adopted
> the words Umgebung, Umwelt, and Innenwelt:
> 
>   Umwelt -- the view of the environment as perceived by
>     individuals of a given species.
> 
>   Umgebung -- what exists independent of any particular
>     species.
> 
>   Innenwelt -- the interpretation of the Umwelt by a
>     particular individual.
> 
> John Deely observed further distinctions, see
> 
> http://web.archive.org/web/20060221134707/http://www.ut.ee/SOSE/deely.htm
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
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