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[ontolog-forum] Re: Starting a new project at Ontolog

To: Adrian Walker <adrianw@xxxxxxxx>
Cc: ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: "Peter P. Yim" <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:32:14 -0700
Message-id: <41200E9E.4020304@xxxxxxxx>
Hi Adrian,    (01)

Thank you for the prompt action. I still look forward to seeing, 
hopefully in the not-too-distant future, that you make your work 
open-source/open-content, and start some project work on it with the 
ontolog community.    (02)

One small request, we have actually moved all RecommendedReading's a 
little while back to its own page (thus allowing that page to grow 
without getting the Ontolog Wiki HomePage unwieldy.) Appreciate if you 
would kindly move your new links to that page (by clicking on that 
"RecommendedReading" link). Please also identify the person making the 
recommendation (yourself in this case) and date your recommendation. 
Sorry for the trouble.    (03)

Regards.  -ppy
--    (04)

Adrian Walker wrote Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:52:49 -0400:    (05)

> Hi Peter --
> Thanks for your note, below.
> I have removed the items that are potentially incompatible with the 
> ontolog charter, and I have added  two items under "Recommended Reading"
> I hope this is OK.  Please call me or let me know by email if there 
> are further concerns.
>                         Best regards,  -- Adrian
> At 03:56 PM 8/15/04 -0700, you wrote:
>> Hi Adrian,
>> Thank you for the prompt response.
>> As the notion of "open" is one of the precepts for the ontolog work, 
>> we will have to abide by it to stay true to our mission and be fair 
>> to all participants and contributors.  Even in the "open" world, 
>> there are multiple licensing arrangement, some more restrictive, 
>> others less so. Ontolog will find any of them acceptable. Therefore, 
>> even if you craft your own license; as long as it conforms to being 
>> "open source" and "open content", the contribution will be welcomed 
>> at Ontolog.
>> May I suggest that you kindly review the "free software" philosophy 
>> (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) and the "open source 
>> definition" (http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php) and see 
>> how you can make your potential contribution fit into those working 
>> model(s). We value your contribution, and I hope you can make it 
>> work. I'll try to call you tomorrow -- or if you need a bit more time 
>> to think things through, let me know.
>> Of course, community members can freely collaborate with one another, 
>> independent of the ontolog-forum, to do proprietary (or any other 
>> form of) work in real or virtual enterprising endeavors. That is 
>> actually one of the outcomes we hope this community of practice can 
>> help spur. Those projects will obviously not be ontolog projects (or, 
>> say, ontolog tools), though, but that doesn't make them less 
>> important -- it's just that we should not, and would not be 
>> committing the communities' resources to them.
>> Regards,
>> PPY
>> P.S. You might want to temporarily take out the lines under 
>> "Communities of Practice and Projects" and "Tools" at the Ontolog 
>> WikiHomePage until you actually do start an ontolog project, or 
>> contribute an open-source tool to the community -- at which time, we 
>> should also be giving you due credits and acknowledgement (ref: 
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CreditsAcknowledgement), like 
>> all the others who have contributed. -ppy
>> -- 
>> Adrian Walker wrote Sun, 15 Aug 2004 13:59:02 -0400:
>>> Hi Peter --
>>> Many thanks for organizing a most productive and stimulating meeting 
>>> this week.
>>> Many thanks also for your note, below.
>>> Actually, the project does not fit neatly into either the 
>>> "commercial" or "open source" categories.
>>> The rules and facts that make up executable English agent specs on 
>>> the public, community "demo" ID are open source [1].  The means to 
>>> execute those specs, and to generate SQL from them, are not open 
>>> source, though the generated SQL is again open source.
>>> So, the situation is somewhat analogous to having, say, a java API 
>>> with lots of useful open source examples being extended by a 
>>> community, but not distributing the source of the Java compiler.
>>> It's my aim to keep the means to execute the specs available, free, 
>>> for noncommercial use for anyone in the world with access to a 
>>> browser.  This should help in building a community.
>>> The underlying system is large and complex, and it is unlikely that 
>>> any other organization would build up the expertise to maintain or 
>>> improve it in the near- or medium future.  So, I prefer to keep the 
>>> maintenance and extension work centralized at the moment.
>>> I hope there may be a way of including this "semi-open" approach in 
>>> the very important work of the ontolog forum.  Please call me at any 
>>> time at 860 583 9677 if this will help.
>>>                         Best regards,  -- Adrian
>>> [1]  http://www.reengineeringllc.com/demo_agents/
>>> At 07:02 AM 8/15/04 -0700, you wrote:
>>>> Hello Adrian,
>>>> Thank you for your active participation at the Ontolog-Forum.
>>>> I noticed from your wiki postings that you may be contributing some 
>>>> tools and might want to start a new project at Ontolog,
>>>> While the community is still developing work protocols as we move 
>>>> along, and things are somewhat fluid and flexible, we also have 
>>>> some precepts and charter process that we would always want to fall 
>>>> back to. Of particular relevance is our "open" IPR policy (see:
>>>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?HomePage#nid036), and the 
>>>> OASIS TC process which we default to (see: 
>>>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?HomePage#nid045). In the 
>>>> case of starting/terminating a new project/sub-project, the OASIS 
>>>> process of starting or terminating a TC/SC would be relevant.
>>>> By the way, I wasn't exactly sure whether or not your software 
>>>> tools are open sourced (and, if so, which free-software or 
>>>> open-source license is applicable) by visiting your 
>>>> reengineeringllc.com website. Please enlighten.
>>>> Maybe we could have a phone conversation, at your earliest 
>>>> convenience, to see how I can help you with your initiatives , and 
>>>> to clarify some of the fine points, so that ontolog can stay true 
>>>> to its mission. Let me know what would be a good time to talk.
>>>> Thanks & regards,
>>>> PPY
>>>> -- 
>>>    (06)

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