Hi Danny Ayers and Ontolog, (01)
Great to see the ontology development efforts. (02)
And the Wiki as an onotological reference base (ORB) would also serve a
community of practice, or an eTown Hall, or an Emergency Services system,
adult education, health-care(think SARS and CDC) awareness, etc. (03)
The conversion of war funds of the TIA to homeland security is under way to
fund the expansion of wireless connectivity to US citizens. (04)
(China has also undertaken such a citizen-centric effort I
understand --sorry, no
Such an effort can be wrapped in a startup corp. to attract available grant
funding, and I hope to assemble a plan toward such in the next few weeks. (06)
I am involved with a community that is involved with a Citizen's network
(Citizen's Communication Corp.), a non-profit corp on public funds. (07)
A larger association of 40 similar community owned (electric) depertments in
this State alone
are also attempting to "evolve" the next American "upgrade" of wireless to
the "new" utility of today. (08)
A new federal program that is akin was the US Federal grants that made
electicity available to ALL
US citizens after World War II, regardless of how far up some hollow anyone
may abe, or how
non-profitable running power to ALL citizens was. (09)
A citizen's centric focus is the key, and also the focus of the political
concensus that is attempting to eradicate war profiteering (which is the
origin of the DARPA-TIA funds per some). (010)
Note: my earlier thread on ethics of Big-brother (DARPA-TIA) are updated to
the newer discussions in the Beltway which see that threat dimenished. (011)
Please contact me at DonEMitchell@xxxxxxxxx for confabulation details. I am
working on a presentation for the city fathers. (012)
I am seeking a startup team to start an incubator project as an
alpha-project for this small city I consult toward just that sort of goal
(incubation funded by state/fed grants). (014)
The bigger picture is to assemble a community fortified by Wireless
Application Protocol solutions (WAP) hand-held devices as a solution toward
adult education, health-care and citizen-centric government (eTown Hall,
Feel free to inquire. (016)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Yim" <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "DigitalArtOntology"
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 9:12 AM
Subject: [ontolog-forum] Re: [dao-forum] PurpleWiki as an ontology editor (019)
> A very interesting thread (at [dao-forum] and [pw-devel]) which I will
> try to cross-post here (and would invite posters to continue the
> cross-posting to all three lists, because it is so relevant).
> It addresses the very subject of whether the wiki would make a good
> platform for ontology development -- a proposition that was brought up
> before, when the [ontolog-forum] was still deliberating on methodologies.
> Here goes ...
> Danny Ayers wrote Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:59:08 +0100:
> >>Can PurpleWiki be modified to be an ontology editing tool? My guess
> >>is yes, but the truth is that I'm not sure. Or, more accurately, I'm
> >>not sure if it's worth it.
> >>I think that Wikis already come close to mapping to a Topic Map model,
> >>as I explain at:
> >> http://www.eekim.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikisAsTopicMaps
> > I think it would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater to make the
> > Wiki more complex - Nooron's a great idea, but I reckon too much is
> > here : http://www.nooron.org/know/computing_systems_ontology
> > Coming at it from an RDF/OWL point of view, I'll try by saying we want
> > pages to describe the People and PurplePeople classes, I think that
> > look something like this:
> > [[
> > ClassPeople
> > ------------
> > ClassPurplePeople
> > CategoryOntology
> > ]]
> > [[
> > ClassPurplePeople
> > ------------
> > ClassPeople
> > EugeneEricKim
> > ChrisDent
> > CategoryOntology
> > ]]
> > The page title gives the class name, and asserts it's a class. The two
> > people included would be read as instances of the class (no prefix).
> > I'm not sure about CategoryOntology, but something would be needed to
> > 'give this page special treatment' to any processor.
> > But the problem is exactly as you describe: the links aren't typed. The
> > ClassPeople page might (should?) have a link back saying
> > which way would the hierachy run?
> > So is here an easy way of typing links? The best I could come up with
> > like this :
> > A regular (non-ontological) link looks like [http://example.org title]
> > this could be extended to read [http://example.org title
> > I'm not sure exactly what to do about CamelCase links, but what about
> > [WikiPageTitle prefix:property]
> > where prefix is the namespace prefix and property is the specific
> > relationship.
> > So in the example above the link in ClassPeople would read
> > [ClassPurplePeople rdfs:subClass]
> > Somewhere there'd need to be a map between namespace prefixes and the
> > URIs, but that should be straightforward.
> > When pages get created/modified, the parser sends messages to an RDF API
> > create the appropriate statements. A link somewhere will allow it to be
> > viewed as RDF/XML, n3 or whatever. Alternately, it could be done
> > only when an 'export' link is clicked does the RDF extractor go to work,
> > I think there is an advantage in realtime creation of the RDF model.
> > I've already made a start on coding some of this stuff in my own
> > Wiki-hacking (I want a Wiki interface to IdeaGraph) but so far have only
> > as far as creating the really obvious metadata for page creation (dates
> > using the Jena API). Another design choice has meant I've got quite a
> > other parser-related work to do (I want the Wiki pages persisted as
> > WikiText only used for editing).
> > Cheers,
> > Danny.
> Eugene Eric Kim wrote Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:34:26 -0800:
> > On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 10:12:35PM -0800, Kenneth Fields wrote:
> >>.... to turn a wiki into an ontology authoring tool maybe.
> >>Seems natural. NewClass simply makes a new class
> >>in your ontology. We need a quick open methodology for
> >>going to a site with your new hot idea and inputing your class
> >>and properties in two seconds. If it could be done from
> >>your cell phone - all the better :). RSS feed must inform
> >>the ontology community that the ontology has been updated,
> >>while 9 or 10 'votes' will confirm that class as validated.
> > Check out Nooron, which seems to be what you're describing:
> > http://www.nooron.org/
> > Shawn Murphy, Nooron's creator, incorporated Wiki elements in order
> > to make it easy to edit ontologies. Nooron uses OKBC on the
> > backend.
> > Can PurpleWiki be modified to be an ontology editing tool? My guess
> > is yes, but the truth is that I'm not sure. Or, more accurately,
> > I'm not sure if it's worth it.
> > I think that Wikis already come close to mapping to a Topic Map
> > model, as I explain at:
> > http://www.eekim.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikisAsTopicMaps
> > However, there is some debate as to whether or not Topic Maps are
> > rich enough to express "true" ontologies. (There's been some recent
> > discussion about this very topic on Peter's ontolog mailing list.)
> > If we take a hardline view on this and say that it is not, then the
> > question stands: What do we need to do to PurpleWiki (or any Wiki
> > for that matter) to use it for editing ontologies? And is it worth
> > it?
> > I personally would like PurpleWiki to become rich enough to express
> > Topic Maps, but I'm not keen on evolving it to compete with Protege.
> > I just don't see the value, but perhaps that's because I'm not in
> > the business of constructing formal ontologies. I'd certainly like
> > to hear opinions to the contrary, however, and people are also
> > welcome to show the value of doing this by actually doing it.
> > That's the beauty of open source.
> > -Eugene
> Kenneth Fields wrote Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:12:35 -0800 (PST):
> > On Jan 30, 2004, at 7:27 AM, Eugene Eric Kim wrote:
> >> Hi Ken,
> >> What do you mean by Semantic Web compliancy? Embedding OWL or RDF
> >> tags isn't a problem; the question is, what would we embed them
> >> with?
> >> -Eugene
> > ... to turn a wiki into an ontology authoring tool maybe.
> > Seems natural. NewClass simply makes a new class
> > in your ontology. We need a quick open methodology for
> > going to a site with your new hot idea and inputing your class
> > and properties in two seconds. If it could be done from
> > your cell phone - all the better :). RSS feed must inform
> > the ontology community that the ontology has been updated,
> > while 9 or 10 'votes' will confirm that class as validated.
> > ken
> > On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 03:12:52PM -0800, Peter Yim wrote:
> >>Kenneth Fields wrote Fri, 30 Jan 2004 01:57:26 +0800:
> >>>Is the purplewiki actually moving toward Semantic Web compliancy?
> >>>Embedded OWL and RDF tags?
> >>I'll let either Eugene (Eugene Eric Kim) or Chris (Chris Dent),
> >>principal developers of PurpleWiki, answer you directly on this one.
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