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Re: [ontolog-admin] Ontology expert support series

To: "Sven Van Poucke" <svenvanpoucke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Kurt Conrad" <conrad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Bob Smith" <Bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "[ontolog-admin] forum" <ontolog-admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: "Peter Yim" <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:09:42 -0700
Message-id: <af8f58ac0808241009t31154a2cvae81fb2a9fceae62@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Thanks, Sven. Indeed!    (01)

Ontolog initiatives are (and, of course, should be) community driven.
Now that we have identified the initiative and have people agreeing to
champion it (thank you: Seven, Kurt and Bob), I would suggest
scheduling a "planning meeting" (ref. earlier and successful programs
like "Database and Ontology," OKMDS or the Ontology Summits) and then
a "kick-off meeting" to plan and launch them, with the support and
input from the community.    (02)

The crucial issues are, as I can see it, (a) "getting" the right
experts' (from various key domains) volunteered support, and (b) fine
tuning the process and infrastructure to allow this to provide true
value to the community. [The more I look at the (cited earlier)
http://allexperts.com/ site, the more I can see that we definitely
can learn from their implementation.]    (03)

Come join us on 8/28 (please confirm) so we can all talk a bit about
it in real time, and possibly tie down a few "next steps" as well as
getting the "planning meeting" or even "kick-off meeting" scheduled.    (04)

Regards.  =ppy
--    (05)

On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 2:07 AM, Sven Van Poucke
<svenvanpoucke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Dear Peter, Bob, Leo and Kurt,
> This sounds great and could mean a significant step to close the gap between
> the domain expert and the ontology community. It is quite interesting to
> observe that the problems relating with mutual understanding of the
> cognitive processess of both groups are universal and even adaptable to
> software and application development in general. Most frequently, users
> (domain experts) become frustrated because finished applications have been
> engineered by people who did not fully understand the mental processes in
> the mind of the enduser (e.g. a clinician). My own experience in application
> development also tells me that it takes multiple nightly communications to
> understand the approaches and processess used or taken as standard in the
> development community.
> Please describe your expectations and which type of text and/or presentation
> you want me to prepare.
> Cheers
> Sven    (06)

> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: peter.yim@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:peter.yim@xxxxxxxxx] Namens Peter Yim
> Verzonden: zaterdag 23 augustus 2008 19:43
> Aan: Sven Van Poucke; Kurt Conrad; Bob Smith
> CC: Leo Obrst; Peter Yim
> Onderwerp: Fwd: Ontology expert support series
> Sven,
> We brought this issue up at our Ontolog community planning call on Thu
> 2008.08.21. (see:
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2008_08_21#nid1KSO
> )
> We're wondering if you, Kurt and Bob would like to co-champion the
> effort. We can explore a bit more over this thread and/or (when our
> planning session re-convenes same time) next Thursday 8/28.
> Regards.  =ppy
> P.S. You might like to take a look at: allexpert.com -- I like the way
> they have assigned "experts" in narrowly defined topics. See as an
> example,
>  http://allexperts.com/ep/2266-12745/Nonprofit-Law/Harvey-Mechanic.htm
> Harvey actually uses, at times, one of the softeware I host
> (purpleslurple) to help point people to the pertinent references in
> his responses.
> --    (07)

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
> Date: Thu, May 8, 2008 at 10:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Ontology expert support series
> To: Sven Van Poucke <svenvanpoucke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: "Obrst, Leo J." <lobrst@xxxxxxxxx>, Kurt Conrad
> <conrad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
> Sven,
> This sounds like a wonderful idea!
> From the realm of your contacts, how many of those "3 domain experts"
> sessions do you (personally) think you can round up .. and, how many
> of those "3 domain experts" sessions do you think we (as a community)
> can round up?
> Let's churn the idea over a bit more here, and then, you can possibly
> bring it up for a synchronous discussion at our next "operations
> planning and review" meeting (which we haven't had for a while in view
> of all the events that have been going on ... but we should actually
> have one soon!); or, make a post about it at the [ontolog-forum] to
> get some community reactions.
> Thank you for the great suggestion!
> Regards.  =ppy
> --    (08)

> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 1:01 AM, Sven Van Poucke
> <svenvanpoucke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Peter,
>> Would it be a valuable idea to organize a new type of serie? During some
> ontology expert support series, 3 domain experts and novices in the ontology
> community could present their 10 slides on their research followed by a
> constructive review of the expert panel. This might be a real and effective
> answer to the gap I wrote on before to bring the two communities closer to
> each other?
>> Cheers
>> sven
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