Eli, (01)
Thank you for the message. (02)
Great goal you have ... I appreciate your pragmatism too. (03)
> My understanding of your project is that you are focused on
> creating a detailed ontology of a specific subdomain covered
> by the UBL. (04)
The domain for UBL is the business (or eBusiness) domain. While its
release 0p70 covers a limited vocabulary should in no way be construed
as the limitation of their scope. Similarly ontolog's. Our tie-in with
UBL (besides for historic reasons) also stems from our trust that they
are on track to becoming a "universal" standard (ISO, maybe?), as
substantiated by its OASIS, ebXML, UN/CEFACT connections (and the
myriad of liaisons support it has assembled). (05)
> ... What are your thoughts on this? (06)
I agree we should do our best to avoid unnecessary duplication of
efforts and welcome all forms of collaboration. Unlike yours, as an
open forum, our membership drives the direction we go (the conveners
are merely facilitators). Once again, I invite your participation, if
you see potential collaboration between the [ontolog] efforts and your
initiative. (07)
This dialog should best be exchanged with the forum, rather than with
me alone. (08)
Best regards,
PPY
-- (09)
Eli Israel wrote Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:53:00 -0400:
> Peter,
>
> As I wrote below - we're looking to create a general framework -
> something that can be used both by an organization to jumpstart their own
> internal ontology development (be it for metadata management, web services
> rationalization/discovery, or a similar aim) and by the world at large as a
> framework for business focused aspects of the semantic web.
> Our goal is to create models specific enough to provide a useful
> framework, but generic enough to be widely applicable and adaptable.
> You could think of it as the Silverston or Hay models of the ontology
> world.
>
> My understanding of your project is that you are focused on creating a
> detailed ontology of a specific subdomain covered by the UBL. Am I correct
> in this?
>
> If so, we have varient, though compatible, aims.
> For the parts of your work that are generic, the SBM should reference
> your work. Either we could give over completely that section to you, and
> not aim to recreate your work, or we could explicitly declare congruence (I
> would opt for the first.) Certainly, there is little reason to redefine the
> same domain. Where your ontology leaves the realm of the generic to descend
> into UBL specifics I would not look at that as a core part of the SBM, but
> perhaps an extension.
> We would principally want to make sure that our low level elements are
> compatible. I'm not terribly concerned about upper-level ontologies at this
> point.
>
> What are your thoughts on this?
>
>
> Eli (010)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter P. Yim" <yimpp@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Eli Israel" <Eli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 7:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [protege-discussion] Creating Semantic Business Models]
>
>
> Eli,
>
> Thank you for your message.
>
> > ... Perhaps we should investigate this.
>
> Leo (see below) has a point too.
>
> Since it is the beginning stages of the open international standard
> ontological engineering efforts for the e-business domain -- whether
> it's W3C UN/CEFACT, OASIS, ... or ourselves, the best route is to
> collaborate rather than starting off on separate tracks. We welcome
> the chance to work with you and your team.
>
> Would you like to elaborate on where/how you see our (ontolog-forum's
> UBL-ontology and SemanticWorld's Semantic Business Models) efforts do
> overlap, and how they differentiate?
>
> Regards,
> PPY
> -- (011)
> Eli Israel wrote Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:25:04 +0300:
> > Peter,
> >
> > I did recieve your message, and have been quietly keeping an
> > eye on your efforts. I think you are doing great work, but I'm
> > impressed with the quantity of work to be done. My impression
> > was that you were moving toward creating a perfect model of
> > a small area. I'm more concerned with creating
> > a general framework for a much larger area.
> > I suspect our efforts could dovetail quite nicely.
> > Perhaps we should investigate this.
> >
> > Eli (012)
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [ontolog-forum] [Fwd: Creating Semantic Business Models]
> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:48:15 -0400
> From: Leo Obrst <lobrst@xxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: "[ontolog-forum] " <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Organization: The MITRE Corporation
> To: Ontolog-Forum-NEW <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> CC: Mike Uschold <michael.f.uschold@xxxxxxxxxx>
>
> FYI. Mike Uschold brought this to my attention. Sounds comparable to
> our effort, no? (013)
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Peter P. Yim" <yimpp@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: "Eli Israel" <Eli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Cc: <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 2:09 AM
>>Subject: [Fwd: [protege-discussion] Creating Semantic Business Models]
>>
>>
>>Hello Eli,
>>
>>Congratulations on your new initiative.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>PPY
>>
>>P.S. did the message I sent you on 4/1/03 ever reach you?
>>(see http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-admin/2003-04/msg00000.html)
>>-ppy
>>-- (014)
>>-------- Original Message --------
>>Subject: Creating Semantic Business Models
>>Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 01:10:09 +0300
>>From: "Eli Israel" <Eli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <kaw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <protege-discussion@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>><oiled-discussion@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>><ontoweb-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <swag-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>
>>
>>Apologies for cross-postings.
>>
>>Announcing the Semantic Business Model (SBM) Project!
>>
>>Semantic World’s Semantic Business Model (SBM) is the international
>>open effort to provide authoritative high quality models of common
>>aspects of business and specific vertical industries. The models are
>>provided in industry standard OWL (Web Ontology Language) format for
>>use in introducing Semantic Information Architectures to corporate IT
>>and in anticipation of introducing the Semantic Web into industry.
>>
>>We are currently looking for industry experts, whether experienced
>>modelers or not, who are interested in contributing to the project.
>>Contributors receive free training, immediate access to new models,
>>access to industry experts, and, of course, credit for the models they
>>create.
>>
>>The modeling is beginning from the bottom up, with fundamental
>>concepts such as money and location.
>>
>>The project home is at http://www.SemanticWorld.org/model/index.html.
>>
>>Visit us on the show floor of next week's DAMA conference!
>>
>>
>>Eli Israel
>>www.SemanticWorld.Org (015)
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