Kurt, (01)
I noticed you had c.c. Jon Bosak on this conversation. Should you also
c.c. Eduardo, or better still, maybe send him a private copy of this
thread and invite him to subscribe to this forum too? (02)
While doing this, suggest you also (either on the same message, or
separate messages with same content) try the ndr co-chairs and
possibly Arofan (email addresses below) again: (03)
CRAWFORD, Mark <MCRAWFORD@xxxxxxx>
Lisa Seaburg <lseaburg@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Mavis Cournane <mavis.cournane@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Gregory, Arofan <agregory@xxxxxxxxxxxx> (04)
Good luck! (05)
-ppy
-- (06)
Peter P. Yim wrote Mon, 03 Mar 2003 11:22:34 -0800:
> Wonderful! I'm in.
>
> 1. To facilitate virtual team work, I can make our (CIM3.NET) tools
> available to the community.
>
> 2. Essentially, we (CIM3) provide a basic suite of both
> aynchronous and synchronous tools, and the processes to support
> distributed community and project work. Our collaborative work
> environment may include:
>
> (a) archived email forum (with fine grain linking/access)
> (b) wiki (with fine grain linking/access)
> (c) document repository/file sharing workspace
> (d) Community of Practice (CoP) portal/website
> (e) full-text search
> (f) voice conferencing
> (g) screen/application sharing
> (h) instant messaging
> (i) real-time chat session
> (j) access control
> (k) plus customization to cater to the CoP or project team needs.
>
> 3. We are already using (a) and (e) (at least the part that allows
> search on the message archive) now. I can set up any or all of the
> above tools, if and when they may become useful to our work.
>
> 4. Yes ... I agree with Farrukh on "open-source" -- that is
> consistent with our charter (as an "open" forum, see
>
http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum//ontolog-forum/2002-09/msg00001.html#nid07)
> and that of OASIS/UBL. Thank you, Farrukh, for offering the ebXML
> registry as an option too.
>
> 5. This is exciting ... as soon as we have a reasonable number of
> people (say, within the next few days) that are willing to dive in,
> we could continue the discussion on the broader base ... but then,
> a small team can focus on reaching a shared commitment and
> understanding to getting the project started. Therefore please
> identify yourselves.
>
> 6. Question: who has working proficiency with protégé and is
> willing to provide some working guidance/leadership there? Please
> indicate so.
> Based on our earlier survey, protégé is definitely a candidate
> tool/platform where we can build the ontology on.
>
> 7. That, obviously, re-opens the whole tools/platform discussion
> again. Which is great ... we now have a better, and more focused
> reason to talk about that again. (try starting a new thread,
> though.)
>
> Cheers,
> PPY
> -- (07)
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Proposal for UBL Ontology Project
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 12:58:47 -0500
From: Farrukh Najmi <farrukh.najmi@xxxxxxx>
Reply-To: "[ontolog-forum] " <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
CC: Jon Bosak <Jon.Bosak@xxxxxxx>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030302231018.02b69250@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<3E63921B.48C3353C@xxxxxxxxx> (08)
I too like this idea. (09)
A good way to do a virtual project is to do an open source project. (010)
I would like to propose that the proposed UBL ontologies be managed
using ebXML Registry as an Ontology Server. There are many interesting
features that an ebXML Registry has to offer as an ontology server. A
partial list includes: (011)
-Content specific automatic validation and cataloging whenever new
content is submitted (012)
-Ad hoc discovery capabilities (013)
-Distributed content management (014)
-Digital certificate based authentication (015)
-Fine grained access control using XACML (016)
If any one is interested in this idea then please let me know as I would
like to collaborate with them to get such a project started within open
source. (017)
--
Regards,
Farrukh (018)
Norma Slattery wrote Mon, 03 Mar 2003 12:34:19 -0500: (019)
>I think this is an excellent idea. Virtual projects might be difficult,
>but this is certainly worthwhile and I would like to participate as a
>doctoral student researching how best to implement ontologies, how to
>incorporate them into a broader systems engineering process, and
>identifying guidance (e.g., rules of thumb) to support decision makers,
>e.g., program managers, sponsors of systems.
>
>I would suggest another goal to the list below:
>- Identify appropriate metrics to measure and capture those measures
during
>this project (as a starting point to developing guidance).
>
>r/Norma
>Technical Staff, MITRE Corporation
>703.883-7491
>PhD Student @ Geo. Mason Univ's School of IT and Engineering,
Fairfax, VA (020)
MDaconta@xxxxxxx wrote Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:43:18 EST:
> In a message dated 3/3/2003 12:17:38 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
> conrad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>
>> It is my hope that this project will prove to be more engaging than a
>> general discussion has been and will encourage more participants to
>> weigh in with their potentially divergent ideas about ontological
>> engineering.
>>
>> Your thoughts?
>
>
>
> While I agree that virtual projects are difficult. I think this is a
> good idea
> and am willing to participate. There is no better way to learn
about and
> refine our ontology building skills than to take on a non-trivial
project.
>
> As for goals, I would recommend the crafting of an ontology suitable
> for adoption by the UBL committee. The presumption being that
acceptance
> equates to accurate modeling of the domain. As for utility of such an
> ontology, I need to study the UBL library before proposing some
> options. I would hope to see us develop some concrete goals for
> the utility of the ontology beyond the development of an accurate
model.
>
> I look forward to working on this,
>
> - Mike
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Michael C. Daconta
> Chief Scientist, APG, McDonald Bradley, Inc.
> www.daconta.net (021)
>Kurt Conrad wrote Sun, 02 Mar 2003 23:17:21 -0800:
>
>
>>All,
>>
>>A few weeks ago, Peter forwarded a message announcing the release of
>>a new Universal Business Language (UBL) Library (see
>>http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2003-01/msg00022.html).
>>
>>There has been some discussion around the idea of creating an
>>ontology based on the UBL schemas. After discussing this idea with
>>some of the principles of the UBL effort, the general consensus is
>>that the existing specification
>>(http://oasis-open.org/committees/ubl/lcsc/0p70/) is stable enough to
>>begin engineering an ontology from it.
>>
>>It also appears that this project would mesh nicely with the goals
>>that motivated many of us to join the Ontolog forum in the first
>>place, most notably:
>>
>>- Learn about ontologies (concepts, language, best practices)
>>- Identify a lifecycle process for developing ontology-based systems
>>- Increase awareness and understanding of ontology tools
>>- Work with a group of people on a common ontology
>>- Apply ontologies to real-world applications, especially eBusiness
>>
>>Some of the key activities needed to get this off the ground include:
>>
>>- Outlining objectives for the project
>>- Developing methods and work plans
>>- Identifying targeted formalization framework(s)
>>- Ensuring access to needed tools and infrastructures for collaboration
>>- Identifying project participants
>>
>>We all know success rates of these types of virtual projects. As
>>such, I believe that we need a reality check before agreeing to take
>>on this mission. Accordingly, I suggest that we all start by
>>weighing in with the potential objectives for this type of project to
>>see if there is sufficient interest, alignment, and consensus.
>>
>>It is my hope that this project will prove to be more engaging than a
>>general discussion has been and will encourage more participants to
>>weigh in with their potentially divergent ideas about ontological
>>engineering.
>>
>>Your thoughts?
>>
>>/s/ kwc 2003.03.02 23:17
>>
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