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Re: [ontoiop-forum] OntoIOp teleconference (n.59): Wed 2014.05.21

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From: Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 17:04:20 -0700
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For tomorrow's call ...    (01)

The WD snapshot attached in Till's opening post is also available now
as: 
http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntoIOp/Team_confcall/2014-05-21_team-confcall_n.59/OMG_OntoIOp_spec_v0-55_snapshot--TillMossakowski_20140507f.pdf    (02)

I've also taken the opportunity to  correct the subject line as well
("Wed 2014.05.21" instead of "Wed 20143.05.21")    (03)

Regards. =ppy
--     (04)


On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Tara Athan <taraathan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi - I have a few comments on the definitions:
>
> basic OMS
>
> set of non-logical symbols, sentences, annotations about them, which is used
> as a building block for a larger OMS
>
> Are the sentences in a basic OMS all in the same language?
> Can an OMS be a basic OMS without being used as a building block for a
> larger OMS?
>
> Suggestion: a structure consisting of a set V of non-logical symbols, a set
> S of sentences in some OMS language (using only non-logical symbols from V),
> and a set of annotations about V and S.
>
> sublanguage
>
> syntactically speci?ed subset of a given language, consisting of a subset of
> its terminal and nonterminal symbols and grammar rules
>
> A subset of the grammar rules of a language does not necessarily produce a
> sublanguage (not all grammar languages are monotonic, e.g. Relax NG), and a
> sublanguage can't always be generated by some subset of the grammar rules of
> a superlanguage (e.g. a Horn logic sublanguage of Common Logic).
>
> I believe grammar rules should not be mentioned at all in this definition.
>
> I would expect a sublanguage to be defined as:
> subset of the expressions of a language, interpreting with a subset of the
> logics of the superlanguage.
> Note: the subsets need not be proper subsets.
>
> subOMS
>
> OMS whose sets of non-logical symbols and sentences are subsets of those
> present in a given larger OMS
>
> Saying "larger OMS" suggests that there is a requirement of proper subsets.
>
> Suggestion:
>
> OMS whose sets of non-logical symbols and sentences are subsets of those
> present in a given OMS
>
>
> profile
>
> (syntactic) sublanguage of an OMS language interpreting according to a
> particular logic that targets speci?c applications or reasoning methods
>
> Can a sublanguage be a profile if it doesn't target specific applications or
> reasoning methods? How do you verify that this condition is satisfied?
>
> Suggestion:
>
> (syntactic) sublanguage of an OMS language interpreting according to a
> particular logic, typically targeting speci?c applications or reasoning
> methods
>
>
>
> serialization
>
> speci?c syntactic encoding of a given OMS language
>
> Not all "serializations" are specific to the level of character encoding.
> If the serialization is based on XML, then a variety of character encoding
> systems can, in general, be used. In API4KB, we consider a "serialization"
> of a language to be a system for representing expressions in that language
> as character sequences, which is independent of the character encoding
> system used to represent these character sequences as byte sequences.
>
> document
>
> result of serializing an OMS using a given serialization
>
> This makes sense only if we are talking about an OMS in one language, so
> that it is possible to serialize using just one serialization.
> Presumably, each base OMS in a structured OMS is serialized using a given
> serialization (although annotations in standoff markup confuse this issue).
> Can a document be a collection of subdocuments in different serializations
> of the same language?
> (I am imagining these being packaged in a zip archive or tar for
> transmission.)
>
> Suggestion:
>
> result of serializing an OMS, where the sentences of each basic OMS are
> serialized using a given serialization
>
>
>
> Tara    (05)


> On 5/20/14 1:36 PM, Till Mossakowski wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> our next OntoIOp team conference call (n.59) is coming up this
> Wednesday, May-21.
>
> Please find the most recent version of the standard draft attached.
> All new parts have been marked in red. Please have a look, so that we go
> through them during the teleconference.
>
> Source of the standard document and the issue tracker can be found at
> https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/
>
> All the best,
> Till
>
>
> = OntoIOp team-confcall (n.59) - Wed 2014.05.21 =
>
> * Date: Wed 21-May-2014
> * start-time: 8:00am PDT / 11:00 pm EDT / 4:00pm BST / 5:00pm CEST /
> 5:00pm SAST / 0:00am [+1] KST / 15:00 UTC
> ** ref. world clock -
> 
>http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=5&day=21&year=2014&hour=8&min=0&sec=0&p1=224
> * Duration: 0.75~1.5 Hrs.
> * shared-file workspace:
> 
>http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntoIOp/Team_confcall/2014-05-21_team-confcall_n.59/
> * chat-workspace: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/ontoiop_20140521
>
>
> Remarks:
>
> * the session may be recorded for archival purposes. Unless
> otherwise documented, participants agrees to this by virtue of
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>
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>
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>
> Talk to you all then!
>    (06)

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