1pm East coast time so that would be 10am West coast.|
Bob Smith wrote:
Good, IF OK with the others, let us conference call on Tuesday, 12/30/08
Alan, is that 1pm EST or Pacific?
PS, an example Domain Map for the UN Climate Change world is attached.
I think we can build a useful Domain Map from Deb's Page 2 Map.
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Alan Vinh <alan.vinh@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
NIST is closed on 12/26. David Holmberg is scheduled to be out all of next
week and I'm not sure about Jason Averill. I am available on Tuesday 12/30
and would prefer an afternoon conference call in order to include the West
coast folks - perhaps 1pm?
Regards - Alan
Bob Smith wrote:
Fine job of capturing that meeting (Outside of Starbucks struggling
with very loud music which challenged our ability to talk...)
I'd like to elaborate on one point we discussed: the need to hold at
least one Conference Call before the end of the year to brainstorm the
short term and longer term project schedules.
The Domain Maps (and I can use some tools that show object properties)
show overlapping interests for project team formation.
Is either Friday the 26th or Tuesday the 30th possible for a
conference call? AM or PM?
Please indicate your ideas for the Agenda:
A few suggestions include:
1- David Coggeshall's "Floor Plan Markup Language" requirements: WHAT
elements need to be displayed?
2- Timelines for bSa, BIMstorm, FPML Users, oBIX, and other Liaison
3- Domain Map updates
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Deborah MacPherson <debmacp@xxxxxxxxx>
Hi David, Bob, Michelle, Rex, Toby, Alan and Kimon -
Notes from meeting with Bob are here. Also, I moved the MapLabFPML folder
into this new folder for the floorplans. I ran out of time to clean these up
today and would rather not delay sending, apologize for the mess.
Explanations by page are:
Top Middle - we talked about the IFC's where a computer screen is divided
showing an item like a wall duct, clicking on the item displays all the
information about that item on the right side. Bob's company, SemTalk, has a
Visual Semantic Editor that is similar.
Top Left - The idea of building geometry being used to control role based
Top Right - The Floorplan Markup Language process could follow the AGCXML
process with buildingSMART alliance. (pg 2) AGCXML process included
basically a glossary and 2 or 3 documents, there is not an ontology.
Domain Map showing overlapping interests BSP, OASIS, NIST BFRL, IRSC,
Environmental Assessment. Would like to work on this more with a better
computer using BIM so the objects could have properties.
Need to define time frame and deliverables. When is the NIST follow up
workshop and what are the ideal deliverables for that?
Essentially there are 2 parts: the first is the emergency response floorplan
effort, after that is an adaptation of the same information flow techniques
for environmental assessment. The proposal now could touch on next tasks,
and should explain the position on open versus proprietary.
There is a question about who proposal(s) would be to. For example, the
Construction Management at Risk Company involved in the NYC workshop in
February is like a future customer or client who could benefit from the work
and provide sponsorship. Same with buildingSMART alliance and David's
contacts in California. Need to define a set of such organizations to
explain the benefit of the work in terms they can understand and can see the
A chart for the domain map to be produced. The left column is proprietary
and includes software such as Flash and Revit, the right side is open
including standards development work such as NIST. The BIM coop and OPS are
a hybrid of both. BSP and IRSC lean more open. The middle 3 columns are
where people are interested in solving problems and demonstrating novel
ideas. It is historically very difficult to get funding for these middle
columns. However, this may be changing due to the business use cases that
could be made, eventually to be embedded as open standards in commercial
software. More customers and clients are beginning to understand this.
Each person has symbols to indicate their area of interest and expertise.
People who have been involved in BIMstorm are colored orange, people who
need money or equipment sooner rather than later (IE phase 1 the floorplans)
are circled. We need to have a discussion about what each person needs in
terms of support and the number of hours available to commit to the work of
the floorplan project so a realistic proposal can be developed.
A discussion about the principles of architectural specifications versus the
drawings. The specifications only discuss a subject one time in one place,
the drawings show all the places these items show up (for example bricks, or
standpipes, or equipment). Also talked about contract document language and
the fact only certain blanks are filled in, most of the language stays the
same on most contracts. Ideally, the static floorplans are similar, the
underlying/held together/supportable information is fixed, the dynamic
information such as an alert are overlaid. An agent makes connections
between these following the rules to be specified. "if this" "then that"
situations may be able to be easily shown using David Cox Flipp Explainers
at this early stage. The objective is to get the rules into XML
Focusing on EDXL and demonstration potential through remote collaboration
like BIMstorm to achieve a Common Operating Picture. If the NIST BFRL
scenario is like the demo to be undertaken in NYC in February (talked to him
on the phone, said would follow up with more information), and there is
interest from the San Francisco Fire Department, and BFRL is already working
with Montgomery Fairfax County Fire Departments, maybe there could be a
multi-location exercise based on the scenario and after action reports from
real fires. The goals are:
1. Tie together the information classes and exchange requirements needed
2. Collide through real time exchange to identify fail points and refine the
The first part should be to answer a couple simple questions. The second
will result in improvements for discussions which can be tried later. As
time goes on, the focus will be on 10 building types, this one is Fire
Stations not literally as a building themselves, but the buildings they
Deborah L. MacPherson CSI CCS, AIA
Projects Director, Accuracy&Aesthetics
Specifications and Research, WDG Architecture
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