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Re: [bsp-forum] BISACS

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From: "Considine, Toby (Campus Services IT)" <Toby.Considine@xxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:36:40 -0400
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Both of these comments fit into the advertised-but-never-developed oBIX 2.0.

 

Some background:

 

In oBIX 1.0, we had to meet the need of the control companies. To do this, we produced a standard abstraction of all of the base activities of an embedded control system. This provides a standards-based way to get to all functions of a traditional control system, to read all points and sensors in a traditional embedded system, to receive events, and to request trends and logs.

 

oBIX 1.0, however, is not for the faint of heart, or at least, anyone not in the systems/controls world. It is still detail oriented. It interacts too intimately with all system functions. It cannot be safely shared with anyone who might interfere with proper system operations.

 

One problem is that security at this level of detail does not even make sense. What does it mean, in terms of business process, to “secure a sensor”, or “secure a set point”. Unless and until the sensor means something, or the set point is associated with something the owner would recognize, security is, and must be, all or nothing.

 

oBIX 1.1 remains tied to the goals of 1.0, and has three goals. (1) Errata and ambiguities, (2) adding an RSS or Atom binding to expand the range of non-technical interactions, and (3) developing an enterprise-type scheduling function, based around ICAL, for oBIX contracts.

 

As to oBIX 2.0. I have come to realize that it will *never* come out of the traditional controls companies. They like it down there in the controls. For me, BSP, is naming the things that need to be incorporated into oBIX 2.0. Clearly, some of the concepts have changed, but I have a PowerPoint from more than 3 years ago attached. I would draw you attention to the scanned image on slide 6, describing the systems that need to interact on a campus (not, this was 7 months before the GridWise Constitutional Convention, and does not incorporate *those* concepts).

 

The list on Slide 7 is relevant to this forum, suggesting that we have:

  • Capabilities Models
    • One for each control silo
  • Analytics Models
    • M&V – Self Commissioning
  • Tenant Models
    • Cross-Silos “The Room”
    • Uses: Schedules and Variable Costs

 

These may have some similarities to the IDM ways of thinking.

 

Pull up slide 8 and let it build – it makes more sense that way.

 

Slides 10, 11 look, again, like this forum:

 

  • WS-Buildings HVAC (based on GPC 20)
  • WS-Buildings Power
  • WS-Buildings Access Control
  • WS-Buildings Intrusion Detection
  • WS-Buildings CCTV

·         WS-Buildings Occupancy

  • WS-Buildings Performance (M&V, commissioning)
  • WS-Buildings Analytics
  • WS-Buildings Tenant Services

 

tc

 


"When one door closes, another opens; but we often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door that we do not see the one which has opened for us." -- Alexander Graham Bell


Toby Considine

Chair, OASIS oBIX TC
Facilities Technology Office
University of North Carolina
Chapel Hill, NC

  

Email: Toby.Considine@ unc.edu
Phone: (919)962-9073

http://www.oasis-open.org

blog: www.NewDaedalus.com

 

 

From: bsp-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bsp-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Deborah MacPherson
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:19 PM
To: BSP Forum
Subject: Re: [bsp-forum] BISACS

 

Hi Everyone, 

 

I some time the last couple days reading through OASIS policies and procedures for something I'm working on for NBIMS Consensus.  I also looked at OBIX in more detail and have been thinking about OBIX, in relation to BSP, in relation to NBIMS. In general, the scenarios and exchanges get bigger and need to be more generic from one to the next. There has got to be some vertical modularity and standards also. 

 

Obviously protocols and access procedures like the NIST report will be so important because control over building systems is not something that should fall into the wrong hands. What I'm concerned about is the accuracy and completeness of the data in the first place. 1. Sensors can fail or be inaccurate. 2. The structural DESIGN of a building may not be the actual building, and the building 50 years later is in a different condition that may not be captured - how is ALL the building data kept up to date and accurate? 

 

For example in the NIST report Fig 25, pg 39 = what if this was the old layout and walls or equipment have moved? Can the equipment or walls keep themselves up to date in the most generic models?

 

At WDG, almost every building ends up with a series of "Typical Floors" in other words there is only one plan drawing for the 3rd to 10th floors because they are all the same. What might be similar to a typical floor in OBIX, BSP, NBIMS? What is the shortcut for future standards like BISACS?

 

Deborah

 

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Bob Smith <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Toby,

 

Do you mean this NIST document?

http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build07/art005.html

 

If so, it presents a set of services. How does it play with the oBIX standard 1.x and how might it fit into the oBIX 2.0 thinking?

 

Thanks,

 

Bob

 


From: bsp-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bsp-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Considine, Toby (Campus Services IT)
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 8:12 AM
To: 'BSP Forum'
Subject: [bsp-forum] BISACS

 

Has the group looked at the BISACS services yet?

 

tc

 


"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." -- David Thoreau


Toby Considine

Chair, OASIS oBIX TC
Facilities Technology Office
University of North Carolina
Chapel Hill, NC

  

Email: Toby.Considine@ unc.edu
Phone: (919)962-9073

http://www.oasis-open.org
http://www.NewDaedalus.com

 

 



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