Was just having a similar discussion with Peter Benson at ECCMA, Deke Smith and Michelle offline - concluded with
"....I'm sure Michelle or Toby and the others could explain better, but maybe the ontology we are after is is not to enforce top down or bottom up views for data maintenance, its more to build bridges based upon building services to the occupants and surrounding community rather than building elements, jurisdiction requirements, use group etc that drive project delivery in the first place. Example, daily or even hourly sensor reports versus trends across a particular region presented in simple graphs rather than large stacks of detailed reports. It doesn't mean the identities, maps, classes, properties, units of measure, qualifiers, and values are not there, they are just not needed up front and visible in this framework for certain users. In other words, someone could use this open ontology on any level to dial in the words or values they know and maybe this could help place and locate the rest of the data they should look at to make whatever decision has them in the building data in the future after the documents have changed hands 20 times. Like the phone game, there is a potential for loss and error at every exchange. "
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Bob Smith < bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Deborah,
Toby makes a powerful point, IMO, that
separating services from hardware, or as he puts it "The owner wants a
building system that keeps employees alert (and productive)". The service
is provided by system components. The owner is not concerned with
specifications of all the hardware options, but instead the result or output of
the system. It is up to the specialists to use the owner's statement of
service requirements. Decoupling services from system components requires a
change in mindsets.
I see a huge advantage of this BSP forum
of having generalists and specialists to discuss the problem and how Ontology
provides a new level of thinking.
Do you think it makes sense when
mentioning Frameworks to link to the 2nd Ontology Summit's
Communique dealing with DIMENSIONS of a Framework?
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2007_Communique#nid10NG
and the Dimension Map that Peter Brown and
others developed http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2007_FrameworksForConsideration/DimensionsMap
Often times a building's "Owner"
is a city government, such as the City of Huntington
Beach. Framing a large capital investment project in
terms that the citizens can understand, and allowing the architects, engineers,
constructors, and energy manager deliberate over options for achieving those services
raises many opportunities for improved budgeting and value clarification.
(Of course, some of these topics are
rather removed from our mission and charter, but are implicit in the
discussions).
Cheers,
Bob
In my opinion
"related services" needs to be explained. For example, it was news to
some here at WDG that a "service" of a building could be healthy air
the same way the service of a hotel is a clean bed and restaurant.
If the list of sample services needs to change or update in the future, that is
ok but at least its starts with something and as the exercises progress, all
services listed can be checked just for S&G just to be sure a sufficient
range is covered.
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Deborah L. MacPherson CSI CCS, AIA
Projects Director, Accuracy&Aesthetics
Specifier, WDG Architecture PLLC
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