IAOA Semantic Web Applied Ontology (SWAO) SIG: Inaugural Meeting - Mon 2013-11-25    (413U)

Convener: Dr. LeoObrst (IAOA-EC; MITRE) ... intro slides    (413V)

Description:    (41CF)

The purpose of this session is to begin to form a Semantic Web Applied Ontology Special Interest Group (SIG) in the International Association for Ontology and its Applications (IAOA): http://iaoa.org/. This SIG aims to fill the gap between the Semantic Web community and the IAOA community.    (41CG)

Often the two communities seem to think they have nothing in common, whereas some of us believe they share many common goals, common technologies, and a common interest in well-engineered applied ontologies. Many of us in IAOA promote and use Semantic Web technologies and reasoning methods; similarly, many in the Semantic Web community advocate more rigorous and principled ontologies based on ontological analysis. Therefore, we have proposed a Semantic Web Applied Ontology SIG to bridge the gap between our two communities before it gets wider. This SIG would support communication and collaboration with our colleagues in the Semantic Web (and Linked Data) community    (41CH)

This is the initial meeting of IAOA members and non-members. Are you interested in this SIG? What do you think the SIG should do? How might the SIG work to bridge the gap? Would you participate in this SIG?    (41CI)

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IAOA Semantic Web Applied Ontology (SWAO) SIG: Inaugural Meeting    (415S)

Session Format: this is a virtual session conducted over an augmented conference call    (415T)

Proceedings:    (415Y)

Please refer to the above    (415Z)

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	[6:34] PeterYim: .    (41M6)
	 = IAOA Semantic Web Applied Ontology (SWAO) SIG: Inaugural Meeting - Mon 2013-11-25 =    (41M7)
	 The purpose of this session is to begin to form a Semantic Web Applied Ontology Special Interest Group (SIG) 
	 in the International Association for Ontology and its Applications (IAOA): http://iaoa.org/. 
	 This SIG aims to fill the gap between the Semantic Web community and the IAOA community.    (41M8)
	Convener: Dr. LeoObrst (IAOA-EC; MITRE)    (41M9)
	Panelists / Briefings:    (41MA)
	* Professor MichaelGruninger (IAOA President, U of Toronto) - "IAOA Semantic Web and Applied Ontology SIG"    (41MB)
	* Professor PascalHitzler (Wright State U) - "Ontologies in a data-driven world: finding the middle ground"    (41MC)
	* Professor KrzysztofJanowicz (UC Santa Barbara) - "Please don't agree -- Introducing Descartes-Core"    (41MD)
	* Dr. LeoObrst (MITRE) - "Semantic Web Meets Applied Ontology: What Does it Mean?"    (41ME)
	* Professor TillMossakowski (U of Magdeburg, Germany) - "Ontologies for the Semantic Web, and vice versa"    (41MF)
	Logistics:    (41MG)
	* Refer to details on session page at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?IAOA_SWAO_ConferenceCall_2013_11_25    (41MH)
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	    missing on Linux-based Skype v4.x for skype-calls.)    (41MK)
	Attendees: AgnieszkaLawrynowicz, AleksandraSojic, AndreaWesterinen, AnnRacuyaRobbins, BruceBray, 
	ChristopherSpottiswoode, DaliaVaranka, DennisWisnosky, DennisPierson, ElieAbiLahoud, FabianNeuhaus, 
	FrancescaQuattri, FrankLoebe, GaryGannon, HaroldBoley, HensonGraves, JoanneLuciano, JonathanBona, 
	KathyEllis, KrzysztofJanowicz, LamarHenderson, LeoObrst, LeoraMorgenstern, MichaelGruninger, 
	MikeBennett, NaicongLi, NancyWiegand, OliverKutz, OnnoPaap, OrisFriesen, PascalHitzler, 
	PatriceSeyed, PaulBrandt, PeterYim, StefanoBorgo, TaraAthan, TillMossakowski, ToddPehle, 
	ToddSchneider, TomaszAdamusiak, TorstenHahmann, VeruskaZamborlini,    (41ML)
	 == Proceedings ==    (41MM)
	[6:52] anonymous morphed into ChristopherSpottiswoode    (41MN)
	[6:55] anonymous morphed into PaulBrandt    (41MO)
	[6:56] anonymous1 morphed into PatriceSeyed    (41MP)
	[6:59] anonymous1 morphed into ElieAbiLahoud    (41MQ)
	[7:00] anonymous morphed into AleksandraSojic    (41MR)
	[7:01] anonymous morphed into LeoraMorgenstern    (41MS)
	[7:02] anonymous morphed into KrzysztofJanowicz    (41MT)
	[7:02] anonymous1 morphed into JonathanBona    (41MU)
	[7:02] anonymous morphed into AgnieszkaLawrynowicz    (41MV)
	[7:03] anonymous2 morphed into OrisFriesen    (41MW)
	[7:03] anonymous morphed into AnnRacuyaRobbins    (41MX)
	[7:03] AgnieszkaLawrynowicz morphed into AgnieszkaLawrynowicz    (41MY)
	 [7:03] PascalHitzler: I'm having trouble dialing in    (41MZ)
	 [7:03] PascalHitzler: is the skype chat "joinconference" online?    (41N0)
	 [7:04] PeterYim: @Pascal: yes ... just connect to it, even if it doesn't show that it is "online"    (41N1)
	 [7:04] PascalHitzler: I dialed in via phone number that worked    (41N2)
	[7:04] KrzysztofJanowicz: Peter: IMHO, the 'for Linux Skype users:' message is no longer true    (41N3)
	[7:05] anonymous morphed into AndreaWesterinen    (41N4)
	[7:06] anonymous morphed into TorstenHahmann    (41N5)
	[7:06] FrankLoebe: [in response to PeterYim's remark that LeoObrst's voice level seems comparatively 
	low] @Peter: I hear Leo quite well, just like I hear you.    (41N6)
	[7:07] anonymous morphed into DennisPierson    (41N7)
	[7:08] PeterYim: == LeoObrst starts the session - see slides under: 
	http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?IAOA_SWAO_ConferenceCall_2013_11_25#nid4146    (41N8)
	[7:09] List of members: AgnieszkaLawrynowicz, AleksandraSojic, AndreaWesterinen, AnnRacuyaRobbins, 
	ChristopherSpottiswoode, DennisWisnosky, DennisPierson, ElieAbiLahoud, FabianNeuhaus, 
	FrancescaQuattri, FrankLoebe, HaroldBoley, JonathanBona, KrzysztofJanowicz, LeoObrst, 
	LeoraMorgenstern, MichaelGruninger, MikeBennett, NaicongLi, OliverKutz, OnnoPaap, OrisFriesen, 
	PascalHitzler, PatriceSeyed, PaulBrandt, PeterYim, TaraAthan, TillMossakowski, ToddSchneider, 
	TorstenHahmann, vnc2    (41N9)
	[7:11] anonymous morphed into TomaszAdamusiak    (41NA)
	[7:12] PeterYim: == MichaelGruninger presenting ...    (41NB)
	[7:20] MichaelGruninger: I will update the slide deck (after this session) and insert the missing 
	slides after #2 that describe key current IAOA activities and the way we structure them (in our 
	committees and SIGs) 
        ... [20:50] updated slide deck swapped in (note: 2 slides inserted after the original slide#2. --ppy)    (41NC)
	[7:25] PeterYim: == PascalHitzler presenting ...    (41ND)
	[7:29] HaroldBoley: "micro-ontologies" seem related to "micro-theories" in Cyc.    (41NE)
	[7:30] KrzysztofJanowicz: it is    (41NF)
	[7:30] KrzysztofJanowicz: we took it from R_V_Guha's work    (41NG)
	[7:30] MikeBennett: Pascal's point has important implications for ontology based standards - the 
	contexts need to be dealt with in the standards, in a way that designers of stand-alone ontology 
	applications don't need to grapple with.    (41NH)
	[7:33] ElieAbiLahoud: @MikeBennett, if we use ontologies to model possible contexts, aren't we just 
	transposing the issues Pascal is discussing? ...    (41NI)
	[7:34] MikeBennett: Yes. As distinct to ignoring them and trying to apply the approach which works 
	in stand-alone ontology applications, to the development of the standards.    (41NJ)
	[7:36] FrancescaQuattri: what do we (still) need in ontology? This little resembles the discussion 
	that we had at the latest ER2013 conference with JohnMylopoulos, when he was proposing his approach 
	to conceptual modeling. one thing is clear: more sensitivity and background knowledge in natural 
	language (jargons, genres, synonyms...)    (41NK)
	[7:39] MichaelGruninger: Work in ontology repositories emphasizes relationships between ontologies, 
	identifying common patterns, and sharable sub-ontologies. I think Till will talk about this as well.    (41NL)
	[7:41] anonymous morphed into BruceBray    (41NM)
	[7:42] MikeBennett: Can patterns be thought of as representing archetypical representations of high 
	level, extensible atomic concepts?    (41NN)
	[7:45] ToddSchneider: Mike, yes. But which/what concepts (do the patterns represent)?    (41NO)
	[7:47] MikeBennett: @Todd the "simplest kind of thing" for that kind of concept. The thing which, if 
	one removed any one property, it would no longer be one of that kind of thing (e.g. an agreement 
	without two parties isn't an agreement, it's a pledge).    (41NP)
	[7:45] PascalHitzler: @MikeBennett: I'm not sure they necessarily need to be high-level. It seems to 
	me that we need them at all levels, both high-level conceptual, abstract things (events, processes, 
	trajectories), but also more concrete content/vocabulary, possibly as refinements of higher-level 
	abstractions.    (41NQ)
	[7:46] MikeBennett: @Pascal thanks. I'm thinking of concepts like Transaction, Contract etc.; if one 
	can identify the fundamental properties that always apply to contracts, then anything which is a 
	contract extends this within the same pattern.    (41NR)
	[7:47] PascalHitzler: @Mike: that sounds right to me. From my current perspective, one of the 
	decisive things about patterns is that they only incorporate ontological commitments which are 
	widely shareable.    (41NS)
	[7:51] MikeBennett: @Pascal I think that's realistically achievable for business-related terms since 
	many of these are ultimately grounded in law, contract, accounting and the like.    (41NT)
	[7:42] PeterYim: == KrzysztofJanowicz presenting ...    (41NU)
	[7:48] LeoObrst: @all: I encourage everyone to also comment in the chat about your thoughts for the 
	way forward for this SWAO SIG, and how you might contribute/volunteer. Also what you would like to 
	see the SIG accomplish. And next steps.    (41NV)
	[7:52] ToddSchneider: Leo, one item/issue that this SIG could help with is promoting common 
	terminology (and its interpretation).    (41NW)
	[8:22] PaulBrandt: [in response to LeoObrst request 7:48] With respect to bridging the two 
	communities: both have their strength and weaknesses. Probably the weaknesses of the one will not be 
	complemented by the strengths of the other, in general. Some specific examples, however, definitely 
	can be found. I would suggest to take as leading principle for the SIG, at least initially (low 
	hanging fruit), precisely such an approach in order to gather the first positive results and hence 
	create the SIG's right for existence.    (41NX)
	[7:49] anonymous morphed into KathyEllis    (41NY)
	[7:58] PascalHitzler: @Mike: One key consideration when making a pattern is that of the "scope". How 
	much do we want to include? There's a trade-off here of course, the wider the scope the less you can 
	often say. My feeling is that it's easier to find a wide scope e.g. in contexts where established 
	shared notions already exist. Really understanding this "scope" aspect is imo one of the things 
	which need to be investigated.    (41NZ)
	[7:58] AndreaWesterinen: Is the issue to think more broadly about ontologies than just the concepts 
	and relationships, but the formalisms and patterns as well ... and then provide a way to capture and 
	curate these patterns? Maybe this is more about what emerges than about what we think should emerge.    (41O0)
	[7:59] AndreaWesterinen: Initially what "emerges" is probably strictly a manual analysis...    (41O1)
	[7:59] MikeBennett: @Pascal agreed.    (41O2)
	[8:00] PascalHitzler: I would argue that every well-made ontology is essentially a composition of 
	patterns. Regretfully, though, the patterns are "lost" in the ontology. We could do so much more if 
	we had the patterns explicitly available.    (41O3)
	[8:00] AndreaWesterinen: @Pascal That is the key and what I was trying to say.    (41O4)
	[8:01] AndreaWesterinen: @Pascal If even a small set of "us" (ontologists) started to do this, 
	it would be valuable.    (41O5)
	[8:01] PascalHitzler: And by the way, also each Linked Dataset is essentially a collection of 
	information snippets which are represented using subgraphs which correspond to some types of 
	patterns. So the patterns are there as well, but again, they are only implicit, and a lot of the 
	trouble with reusing linked data is that the patterns are not exposed explicitly.    (41O6)
	[8:02] PascalHitzler: @Andrea: agreed. In our GeoVoCamps (where we make patterns), for example, it's 
	very important to have contributors who know about the deeper modeling issues - just like it is important 
	to have domain experts, application-oriented persons, and some who understand the tricky logical aspects.    (41O7)
	[8:03] AndreaWesterinen: It may be obvious, but the patterns that one person sees may be different 
	than what was originally designed. That would highlight the need to publish and curate.    (41O8)
	[8:04] PascalHitzler: @Andrea: YES!    (41O9)
	[8:06] MikeBennett: One challenge we have found with the above, is that if you have a well formed 
	ontology with good use of restrictions, this is almost impossible to represent to the business 
	stakeholders in a meaningful way. A more "naive" use of e.g. OWL without these features, is more 
	consumable to business but doesn't correspond one to one with the well formed ontology. Need to 
	think of ways to alias the more formal ontology patterns in terms of their implications for business 
	meaning in a way that business folks can follow. An ontology is of limited use if the business 
	haven't been able to validate it as representing what they know.    (41OA)
	[8:08] AndreaWesterinen: @Mike Agreed. I have struggled with that for some time. I take an approach 
	of discussing the concepts in the language and context of the business users. This is more of a 
	written narrative for the ontology versus the formal. Yes, the formal is there but it comes after 
	the narrative. This seems to help, but ultimately the logic makes the business users' "heads explode". :-)    (41OB)
	[8:09] AndreaWesterinen: Then, the last piece is to prove that the logic is correct - which is 
	proven by use and example.    (41OC)
	[8:11] ElieAbiLahoud: @Andrea, I like "written narrative for the ontology" I use SBVR to do this    (41OD)
	[8:12] AndreaWesterinen: @Elie Yes, I value SBVR but find that it is too complex. I do use the 
	concepts and approach. However, I tune the narrative to use cases, personas and scenarios.    (41OE)
	[8:17] MikeBennett: @Andrea / @Elie we've taken a more ambitious approach, which was to come up with 
	diagrams which are free of Semantic Tech terminology, but which can be explained using set theory, 
	which everyone understands. Restrictions were a challenge for this, but I think I've figured out a 
	way of presenting these graphically. Of course in any group of business people, some need diagrams 
	and some need text. All of them need to see formal definitions to back up their understanding of the 
	concepts presented.    (41OF)
	[8:17] ElieAbiLahoud: @Andrea, I understand and I see the need for that tuning when we have a final 
	application in mind (as opposed to just capture the shared understanding in an Ontology that might 
	be used as a vocabulary only...)    (41OG)
	[8:19] ElieAbiLahoud: @Mike, looking forward to seeing your new way of graphically presenting 
	restrictions    (41OH)
	[8:19] AndreaWesterinen: @Mike YES, would love to see the approach.    (41OI)
	[8:21] AndreaWesterinen: @Elie I always start with the "why" I am developing the ontology (what 
	questions to answer, what domains to understand, etc.). This then motivates the narrative. It is not 
	necessarily a single application but the reasons for developing the ontology.    (41OJ)
	[8:10] MichaelGruninger: Again, what Krzysztof calls a "network of micro-ontologies" is the focus of 
	ontology repository projects like COLORE and projects like OntoIOp (which focus on alignment and 
	translation techniques).    (41OK)
	[8:10] PeterYim: == LeoObrst presenting ...    (41OL)
	[8:21] PascalHitzler: @Leo: My perspective would be that the patterns are already in the (well-done) 
	ontologies, essentially. Primarily, they need to be exposed as stand-alone patterns.    (41OM)
	[8:20] PeterYim: == TillMossakowski presenting ...    (41ON)
	[8:24] anonymous morphed into VeruskaZamborlini    (41OO)
	[8:27] PeterYim: == Q&A and open Discussion ...    (41OP)
	[8:29] PeterYim: ref. slide#4 of the intro deck - 
	http://iaoa.cim3.net/file/pub/SIG/SemanticWeb-AppliedOntology/2013-11-25_SWAO-launch/IAOA-SWAO-SIG_inaugural-session_intro--LeoObrst_20131125.pdf    (41OQ)
	Topics for Discussion Today    (41OR)
	1)A short description of the IAOA Semantic Web Applied Ontology special interest group, and a brief charter    (41OS)
	2)How will this SIG support communication and collaboration with our colleagues in the Semantic Web 
	(and Linked Data) community? Some of us are members of both communities What activities should we promote?    (41OT)
	3)How should we structure this SIG? How often should we meet?    (41OU)
	4)Who is interested in co-chairing this SIG?    (41OV)
	As with all IAOA SIGs and Committees, leadership is highly valued; does require some time 
	commitment, though this should not be onerous    (41OW)
	[8:24] AndreaWesterinen: Would it make sense to further highlight patterns in some defined 
	ontologies and work to curate and document them? This would provide a repository for industry use.    (41OX)
	[8:25] MichaelGruninger: @AndreaWesterinen: Yes!    (41OY)
	[8:26] PascalHitzler: @Andrea: Yes I think this would make sense. One approach would be to take 
	several well-designed ontologies which talk about some central/abstract notion, and start with the 
	intrinsic patterns as input. In a sense, you'll always look at existing ontologies anyway when 
	making a pattern.    (41OZ)
	[8:26] ElieAbiLahoud: Anyone has looked at or collaborated with: http://ontologydesignpatterns.org/ 
	?    (41P0)
	[8:26] PascalHitzler: http://ontologydesignpatterns.org is always one of the places to look at when 
	working on patterns. I don't think that too much is happening there recently, though.    (41P1)
	[8:28] AndreaWesterinen: Regarding the design patterns site, yes, I have looked and it is a bit scattered.    (41P2)
	[8:37] KrzysztofJanowicz: Andrea: to a certain degree this is exactly what 
	http://ontologydesignpatterns.org/ did for DOLCE (and other ontologies)    (41P3)
	[8:29] PascalHitzler: Also, the presentation is sometimes not very helpful on the site. Many good 
	ideas to find there, though.    (41P4)
	[8:30] ElieAbiLahoud: It would be interesting to get this SIG's feedback on 
	http://ontologydesignpatterns.org/, a possible item in upcoming activities?    (41P5)
	[8:30] ElieAbiLahoud: @Pascal, Andrea, THX    (41P6)
	[8:32] PeterYim: @Leo - it would be nice to adopt a "Mission Statement" for the SIG, and then 
	identify a few champions to drive this effort forward    (41P7)
	[8:34] TorstenHahmann: Maybe we should use the activities in preparation of the Ontology Summit to 
	develop core areas of interests for the SIG and, eventually, a shared mission    (41P8)
	[8:34] MikeBennett: I think there was a clear focus on the presentations which should translate OK 
	to a mission statement.    (41P9)
	[8:38] KrzysztofJanowicz: IMHO, the key here is community involvement (also beyond AO and SW)    (41PA)
	[8:39] AndreaWesterinen: @Krzysztof Agreed.    (41PB)
	[8:38] AndreaWesterinen: The "applied" ontologies that I mentioned are IRING (based on ISO 15926) 
	and FIBO. It might be valuable to mine these for patterns. Other ontologies that I have used/reused 
	are the W3C Time and Provenance ontologies.    (41PC)
	[8:40] PascalHitzler: yes community involvement (in particular: different types of stakeholders) 
	helps to make versatile patterns.    (41PD)
	[8:40] AndreaWesterinen: @Mike I have also reused the higher level FIBO concepts.    (41PE)
	[8:42] AndreaWesterinen: @Mike Exactly as you just discussed.    (41PF)
	[8:43] MikeBennett: @Andrea that's great, I'd love to know more about which and when, and what 
	issues you might have had in consuming this information and getting value out of it.    (41PG)
	[8:46] PascalHitzler: @Fabian: yes, patterns for organizing an ontology. However the key challenge 
	is to deal with semantic heterogeneity - how to do ontological modeling such that we can enable 
	reuse without forcing specific ontological commitments.    (41PH)
	[8:46] MichaelGruninger: IAOA membership information can be found at: http://iaoa.org/membership/membership.html    (41PI)
	[8:48] JoanneLuciano: Arriving late and leaving early... we are celebrating two PhD defenses Dr. 
	Alvaro Graves Fuenzalida and Dr. Xian Li who successfully defended their PhD thesis. Looking forward 
	re: catching up on this topic.    (41PJ)
	[8:48] PeterYim: I strongly suggest we try to identify a few (5?) people passionate enough to commit 
	themselves to moving this SIG forward in the next few minutes ... past then, please identify the 
	logistics on where can the community continue to discuss this (i.e. moving the SIG forward)    (41PK)
	[8:48] KrzysztofJanowicz: IMHO, this is not about KR languages but about modeling traditions and goals    (41PL)
	[8:49] MikeBennett: I'm passionate about the stuff I was talking about but I appreciate there are a 
	lot of other issues on the table.    (41PM)
	[8:50] MichaelGruninger: @Fabian: we can discuss general ontology issues in this SIG -- the idea 
	here is that the issues are motivated by those which arise and have impact in the Semantic Web    (41PN)
	[8:50] TorstenHahmann: @Fabian, Pascal: I think focusing on general challenges such as dealing with 
	semantic heterogeneity seems more appropriate for the SIG. The focus on ontology patterns seems a 
	bit redundant because interdisciplinary work is already well underway. Generally, I feel we should 
	focus on long-term challenges that neither community can address alone. That would really leverage 
	the cooperation between the communities.    (41PO)
	[8:50] AndreaWesterinen: @Pascal My reuse rarely takes full ontologies and uses them wholesale. I do 
	take pieces and concepts and reuse them, combine them together to solve my domain issues.    (41PP)
	[8:51] AndreaWesterinen: Kind of like combining different tools or open-source pieces.    (41PQ)
	[8:51] LeoObrst: @all: perhaps as mission statement, aspects of my initial slide 2, i.e., Purpose and Description?    (41PR)
	[8:52] TorstenHahmann: @Leo: your slide 2 seems very appropriate for a mission statement    (41PS)
	[9:03] PeterYim: LeoObrst: proposing (tentative) Mission Statement of the IAOA SWAO SIG as a 
	paraphrasing of what's on slide#2 of the intro deck - 
	http://iaoa.cim3.net/file/pub/SIG/SemanticWeb-AppliedOntology/2013-11-25_SWAO-launch/IAOA-SWAO-SIG_inaugural-session_intro--LeoObrst_20131125.pdf    (41PT)
	[8:52] PascalHitzler: @Krzysztof: yes. In fact, the specific KR languages are imo rather secondary.    (41PU)
	[8:52] KrzysztofJanowicz: yes    (41PV)
	[8:53] PascalHitzler: @Andrea: yes I believe that's often done. It would be easier, imo, if we had explicit patterns :)    (41PW)
	[8:53] FabianNeuhaus: @Pascal, Andrea: thank you, I understand now better what you mean. I think was 
	just puzzled since I have been working an similar subjects (e.g., contexts where different languages 
	are used, semantic heterogeneity, the modular design of ontologies) without thinking them as 
	particular problems of the semantic web, but rather general problems of ontology development    (41PX)
	[8:55] AndreaWesterinen: @Pascal Agreed. I often wondered if I missed something in my reuse, that I 
	could have learned from.    (41PY)
	[8:56] FabianNeuhaus: @PascalHitzler, AndreaWesterinen, MichaelGruninger: But as Michael said: the 
	SIG should work on issues that are motivated by challenges from the semantic web, even if they are 
	not specific just to the SW.    (41PZ)
	[8:59] NancyWiegand: Since this year's summit is on this topic, then the short term goals would be 
	to facilitate that discussion.    (41Q0)
	[9:00] AndreaWesterinen: I would be happy to volunteer (and am an IAOA member).    (41Q1)
	[9:00] MikeBennett: I would be happy to participate (and intend to join the IAOA anyway)    (41Q2)
	[9:00] KrzysztofJanowicz: Thanks Peter    (41Q3)
	[9:01] PeterYim: Join us again, next week (Thu 2013-12-05) for the OntologySummit2014 Pre-Launch 
	Community Session, when we will collaboratively work up a program for the next OntologySummit (which 
	is slated to launch on Thu 2014.01.16)    (41Q4)
	[9:02] KrzysztofJanowicz: let's keep this inclusive and not dive too early in making this an IAOA thing only.    (41Q5)
	[9:03] PascalHitzler: +1    (41Q6)
	[9:03] ElieAbiLahoud: I am happy to contribute/ participate in any needed capacity    (41Q7)
	[9:04] PaulBrandt: Maybe a SW top player as chair of the SIG in order to keep it inclusive, explicitly    (41Q8)
	[9:04] KrzysztofJanowicz: Thanks Peter, Leo, Michael for organizing    (41Q9)
	[9:04] PascalHitzler: thanks a lot!    (41QA)
	[9:05] AndreaWesterinen: Yes, thanks for organizing and the presentations!    (41QB)
	[9:05] FrancescaQuattri: great talks, thanks!    (41QC)
	[9:05] PeterYim: -- session adjourned: 9:05am PST --    (41QD)
	[9:05] PaulBrandt: Thank you and Bye Bye    (41QE)
	[9:05] LeoObrst: Thanks all!    (41QF)
	[9:12] PeterYim: volunteered champions (so far): LeoObrst, AndreaWesterinen, MikeBennett, 
	ElieAbiLahoud, KrzysztofJanowicz (invited), PascalHitzler (invited), ... 
	... [subsequently too:] WilliamSweet, ...    (41QG)
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