HealthOntologyMapping/ConferenceCall 2005 02 04

[HEALTH-ONT] Health Ontology Pilot Project Work Session / Conference Call - Fri 2005-02-04    (8IO)

Conference Call Details    (8IP)

• Subject: [HEALTH-ONT] Health Ontology Pilot Project Face-to-face Work Session & Conference Call Thu 2005-02-04    (8IQ)

• Session-Agenda Comments:    (8IR)
  • this is a work session for the SICoP-Ontolog joint project to do a Health Ontology Mapping pilot for FHA-ONCHIT    (8IS)
  • some of the participants will be working face-to-face at Stanford Medical Informatics (Stanford, CA) while others will be joining in through a conference call.    (8IT)
  • please post any suggested agenda items to the call wiki page and upload any material to be shared to the list, to the wiki or by WebDAV upload prior to the meeting    (8IU)

• Date: Friday, Feb. 04, 2005    (8IV)
• Start Time: 1:30 PM PST / 4:30 PM EST World Clock    (8IW)
• Expected Call Duration: 3 ~ 3.5 hour    (8IX)

• Venue information for onsite participants:    (8IY)
  • Thanks to MarkMusen, who has graciously agreed to host this meeting, the face-to-face session will be held at Stanford Medical Informatics' (SMI) office, which is located on the 2nd floor of the Stanford Medical School Office Building (known as MSOB) on the corner of Campus Drive, Panama and Welch Road. The street address is 251 Campus Drive. From Campus Drive, enter the parking area to the left of Panama Street. There is metered parking in front of the MSOB. See: directions. The Medical School Office Building is a three story beige building with a large oak tree in front. Walk upstairs to the second floor, turn right and go through the double doors at the end of the hall.    (8IZ)
    • the SMI receptionist will be able to provide our team members with a temporary parking permit when you get there. (One will have to make sure you don't get a ticket while you are enroute to get the temporary parking permit from the SMI office.)    (8J0)

• Conference Call Details for remote partcipants:    (8J1)
  • Dial-in Number: 1-702-851-3330 (Las Vegas, Nevada)    (8J2)
    • Participant Access Code: "686564#"    (8J3)
  • VNC session (if needed) will be started 5 minutes before the call at: http://vnc2.cim3.net:5800/    (8J4)
    • view-only password: "ontolog"    (8J5)
    • view-and-control pw: to be supplied during session as needed    (8J6)

•    (8J7)
  • Wiki page for this call (i.e. this page) is at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_02_04    (8J8)

Attendees    (8J9)

• Attended:    (8JA)
  • BobSmith    (8JB)
  • KurtConrad    (8JC)
  • PeterYim    (8JD)
  • SamsonTu    (8JE)
  • ChrisRichardson    (8JF)
  • PatCassidy    (8JG)
  • BrandNiemann    (8JH)
  • NicolasRouquette    (8JI)
  • DavidWhitten    (8JJ)

• Expecting:    (8JK)

• Regrets:    (8JL)
  • LijuFan    (8JM)

Agenda Ideas    (8JN)

• Mark / Samson: EON project demo    (8JO)

• Peter: Key tenets of our response; what do we need to demo in the pilot? what is ready & what are the gaps? how do we make the demo compelling to the auidence?    (8JP)

• Brand: consider the 7 step approach Kathy Lesh uses, and then an 8th step to map other ontologies.    (8JQ)

Resources    (8JR)

• NhinRfi - the RFI response project page    (8JS)

• HealthOntologyMapping - potential new project page    (8JT)

• Background material provided in BrandNiemann's 2005.01.26 post    (8JU)
  • http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/health-ont/reference/Health_Domains_2005-01-26.ppt    (8JV)
  • http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/health-ont/reference/HL7.xls    (8JW)

• Notes from earlier sessions:    (8JX)
  • the Thu 2005.02.03 regular Ontolog weekly call - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_02_03#nid062    (8JY)
  • the Tue 2005.02.01 Kick-off Meeting - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?HealthOntologyMapping/ConferenceCall_2005_02_01#nid033    (8JZ)

Agenda & Proceedings    (8K0)

1) Welcome & confirmation of agenda    (8K1)

• BobSmith took the chair and welcomed everyone.    (8K2)

2) Appointment of secretary to take minutes    (8K3)

• PeterYim volunteered    (8K4)

3) Roll-call of participants    (8K5)

• see above    (8K6)

4) Comparing Notes and Insights on Dr. Brailer's talk (where it applies to what we are doing)    (8K7)

• The 2005.02.04 morning Seminar Session (including Dr. Bariler talk) at Stanford - Seminar & Program    (8K8)

5) Current Project Discussion & Work Session    (8K9)

Ref: HealthOntologyMapping    (8KA)

• To be discussed:    (8KB)
  • Goal    (8KC)
  • Scope    (8KD)
  • the Team    (8KE)
  • Deliverables    (8KF)
  • Work Plan    (8KG)

• Discussion:    (8KH)

•    (8KI)
  • Samson made a brief introduction of the EON project - http://www.smi.stanford.edu/projects/eon/    (8KJ)
    • started around 1995-96; EON provides the core technology (based on the Protege platform)    (8KK)
    • ATHENA Project - collaboration with 3 VA Healthcare Centers (Palo Alto, San Francisco,CA; Durham, NC)    (8KL)
      • Hypertension domain    (8KM)
      • Team: 3+2 on SMI; 5+clinicians from VA    (8KN)
    • Samson: the barebone ontology can be made available; to release the knowledge base, we need to consult with our clinical collaborators. Suggest we should have the VA collaborator on the team too.    (8KO)
    • Samson: this project has finished a couple of years ago. Continuing work under different projects are going on, which are more conformant to current standards like HL7 RIM, SNOMED CT, ... etc.    (8KP)
  • Samson made a demo of OEN to the onsite participants, then walked everyone through the EON website    (8KQ)
    • agreed that we will invite Dr. Goldstein of VA (SMI's collaborator on ATHENA) to join us on this team    (8KR)
      • Samson to make the invitation; and Peter to subscribe her to our forum on Samson's confirmation. (action: Samson, Peter)    (8KS)

•    (8KT)
  • Brand: can we do a quick, and more rigorous upper ontology (like SUMO) (wrt the 5 domains defined in the HHS+FHA slides)    (8KU)
    • better ontology to organize the middle and domain ontologies, more holistic; conceptualize this part of it.    (8KV)
      • Pat: of the 5 domians - first 2: goals; bottom 3: activities;    (8KW)

•    (8KX)
  • Brand's suggested task for this pilot: 1. it would help to know what is the architecture of EON (this will be helpful to the FHA folks)    (8KY)
  • 2. maybe, a simpler task, ref the Mary Pulvermacher-MITRE paper, is that we make an attempt to fit existing ontologies into the three categories described there - Upper / Mid-level / Domain ontologies. Can we map what we have in EON, SUMO, etc. (and what they have - ref the 5 domains) into that categorization?    (8KZ)
    • See Formal Taxonomies for the U.S. Government, Daconta, January 26, 2005    (8L0)
    • and Netcentric Semantic Linking: An Approach for Enterprise Semantic Interoperability", Mary Pulvermacher, MITRE    (8L1)
  • 3. Brand: EON architecture: see- http://www.smi.stanford.edu/projects/eon/96SCAMCMusen/sld007.htm    (8L2)
  • 4. How does this make things more interoperable among the 3 VA Healthcare centers?    (8L3)
    • Chris could call the VA center for their assessment (need contact from Samson) (action: Samson, Chris)    (8L4)
  • 5. Could Mark annotate Mary Pulvermacher's diagram (Fig. 2 of the Mitre paper) from the perspective of mdeical ontologies    (8L5)
  • 6. the fact that Brailer's focus is on EHR, what do we need in the Upper, Mid-level and Domain ontologies to support that    (8L6)
  • 7. how about the ontology for a standardized grant application for the healthcare programs?    (8L7)

•    (8L8)
  • a resource (possibly not immediately): Pat suggests Kaiser Permanente, (Oakland, CA - possibly) where a Dr. Campbell is involved - probably among the most sophisticated in terms of patient record    (8L9)

• Brand's summary on what we might do. This in turn, is the agreed Action Plan:    (8LA)
  • Part-1: the EON demo, along with the EON architecture (action: Samson)    (8LB)
  • Part-2: categories of the Ontology diagram that applies to EHR - ref. figure 2 of the abovementioned Mitre paper - how/where does Ontologies fit? - maybe some of what Mark will present in his upcoming 2005.04.22 Stanford Seminar on "THE ROLE OF ONTOLOGIES IN THE ELECTRONIC HEALTH RECORD" would be very appropriate. (action: Mark)    (8LC)
  • Part-3: can we help them to use SUMO to do better conceptual definitions - contrast various time models (e.g., upper ontology, hl-7, federal enterprise architecture model)... remedialization impact (action: Pat - by close-of-business Mon 2005.02.07 PST)    (8LD)
    • ref: HL7 TimingEvent    (8LE)
  • integrate & package for presentation (action: Bob & Kurt)    (8LF)
  • presentation: Brand & Peter (in DC) with Samson (remotely) - possibly Wed 2005.02.23 morning, plus subsequent opportunities.    (8LG)

•    (8LH)
  • Brand: what our audience need are:    (8LI)
    • they need to see how ontologies can help them in terms of defining their architecture    (8LJ)
    • how ontologies will help drive interoperability    (8LK)
    • they need to avoid remedial work down the road    (8LL)

•    (8LM)
  • Pat: the main benefit is that none of the medical vocabularies will have the precision as a logic based ontology    (8LN)

•    (8LO)
  • Pat: where can we see some real live dataflow issues?    (8LP)
    • Bob: look at http://www.openehr.org & http://www.openclinical.org    (8LQ)

6) Other business    (8LR)

•    (8LS)
  • FEA Reference Model Ontology ("FEA-RMO") will be out for review in a couple of weeks - RalphHodgson will be talking about it on 2/22/05    (8LT)
  • Brand suggests that we include RalphHodgson and RickMurphy in future work sessions    (8LU)

7) Next meeting date and adjourn    (8LV)

• Session adjourned 4:05pm PST    (8LW)
• next session will be on Fri 2005.02.11 starting at 10:30am PST    (8LX)

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 ppy / 2005.02.04 4:05pm PST    (8LY)