Conference Call 2003-08-14

UBL-Ontology Project Conference Call - Thu 2003-08-14    (7A8)

Conference Call Details    (7A9)

• Subject: [ubl-ontology] project conference call Thu 2003-08-14    (7AA)
• Comments/Agenda:    (7AB)
  •    (7AC)
    • Agenda Comments: ... build rapport; ... sync up; ... distribute, assign or arbitrate virtual ownership of tasks; ... and use it to deal with emergencies. ... plus, member suggested agenda items.    (7AD)
  • Please post you suggested agenda items if you would like to see anything put onto the agenda    (7AE)
  • please post or upload any material to be shared to the list, to the wiki or by ftp upload prior to the meeting    (7AF)
  • VNC session will be started 5 minutes before the call at: http://vnc2.cim3.net:5800/    (7AG)
    • view-only password: "ontolog"    (7AH)
    • view-and-control pw: to be advised during the call as necessary    (7AI)
  • During the call, please browse the wiki page at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Conference_Call_2003-08-14    (7AJ)
• Date: Thursday, Aug. 14, 2003    (7AK)
• Start Time: 10:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time    (7AL)
• End Time: 11:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time    (7AM)
• Dial-in Number: 1-702-851-3330 (Las Vegas, Nevada)    (7AN)
• Participant Access Code: "030814#"    (7AO)

Attendees    (7AP)

• Attended:    (7AQ)
  • PeterYim    (7AR)
  • JohnYunker    (7AS)
  • MonicaMartin (will be at OAG Tech Mtg, but will call in)    (7AT)
  • BillMcCarthy (called in from OAG meeting)    (7AU)
  • PatCassidy    (7AV)

• Regrets:    (7AW)
  • KurtConrad    (7AX)
  • AdamPease (out of the country and unable to attend)    (7AY)
  • BoNewman    (7AZ)

Agenda Ideas    (7B0)

Agenda & Proceedings    (7B1)

• 1) Welcome    (7B2)
  • PeterYim took the chair and welcomed everybody.    (7B3)
  • BillMcCarthy and MonicaMartin described the OAG conference as including ontology work related to application integration    (7B4)

• 2) Appointment of secretary to take minutes    (7B5)
  • JohnYunker volunteered.    (7B6)

• 3) Roll-call of participants    (7B7)
  • see above.    (7B8)

• 4) Possible face-to-face meeting    (7B9)
  • a. week of Oct. 27, 2003 - SanFrancisco to coordinate with UBL meeting the following week[nid 29]    (7BA)
    • a.1. who's going to drive/champion/coordinate this?    (7BB)
      • update: no one has stepped forward yet; so PeterYim volunteered    (7BC)
    • PatCassidy would like to see more definative objective and working plan for the face to face, especially with respect to UBL work.    (7BD)
    • Possible participants    (7BE)
      • BillMcCarthy (probable)    (7BF)
      • PeterYim (local)    (7BG)
      • PatCassidy (phone conference)    (7BH)
      • AdamPease (local)    (7BI)
      • KurtConrad (local)    (7BJ)
      • JohnYunker (checking)    (7BK)
      • UBL conference participants    (7BL)

•    (7BM)
  • b. Mar. 22-24, 2004 (alongside AAAI symposium at Stanford)    (7BN)
    • PatCassidy could attend in person    (7BO)
    • PeterYim will start a thread    (7BP)

• 5) Communication logistics & work protocols    (7BQ)
  • Lots of email traffic, but no decision on KIF vs. SUMO vs. Protoge    (7BR)
    • Protoge development environment is effective    (7BS)
    • PeterYim proposes putting both as normative - Protoge has beter tool support and acceptance, multiple output formats.    (7BT)
    • PatCassidy - no translation tools between environments, Protoge is flexible and can save in RDF.    (7BU)
    • JohnYunker - must show both clear added value of of the methodology, and show that using the methodology doesn't add significant time to production of the standards deliverable.    (7BV)
    • PeterYim - work out details of how representation can be consistent in both environments.    (7BW)
    • PatCassidy - how are modifications to the KIF file compiled and managed.    (7BX)
    • PeterYim - Adam uses a text editor so anyone can modify - Need to determine how this is then published    (7BY)
    • PeterYim proposes that Pat and Adam get together and propose a resolution    (7BZ)
    • PatCassidy will try to reach some sort of consensus with AdamPease and the rest of the group (hopefully), on dual representation, before he leaves on vacation in a week.    (7C0)
      • (He (Pat) will be missing the next 2 calls, and will only re-appear the first week of Sep. 2003. -- have a good vacation, Pat!)    (7C1)
    • PatCassidy requests the link to a viewable/downloadable copy of the SUMO ontology that is being presented on the KIFB ontology browser. PeterYim says he'll get that done and post the link(s).    (7C2)

• 6) Work-in-Progress    (7C3)

•    (7C4)
  • a. use cases (http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UseCases)    (7C5)
  • b. the KIF vs Protégé debate (http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/wiki.pl?Methodology#nid0107 & thread which starts at http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2003-08/msg00002.html)    (7C6)
  • c. PatCassidy's "Axioms in Protégé" (http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2003-08/msg00037.html & http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2003-08/msg00035.html)    (7C7)

• 7) Formalization activities    (7C8)
  • a. Variations in definition of invoice concept    (7C9)
  • b. UBL reference documents    (7CA)
    • Questions about UBL specification of an implementation. Discussed how UBL maps the conceptual entity (Core Component) to implementation (XML)    (7CB)
    • We will probably be able to get TimMcGrath to enlighten us a bit more. Also, if we meet face-to-face right before the next UBL TC meeting, we could exchanged ideas with more of the UBL folks too.    (7CC)
    • PeterYim - use [ontolog] as a bridge between standards community and ontological engineering community. Looking forward to version 4 or 5 of UBL and this effort to merge and that UBL would move into being an ontology.    (7CD)

•    (7CE)
  • c. SUMO mapping    (7CF)
  • d. MILO mapping    (7CG)
  • e. Protégé versions    (7CH)
  • f. Judging representations    (7CI)

 discussion of the above (c, d, e & f) postponed.    (7CJ)

• 8) Sponsorship and funding    (7CK)
  • discussion postponed.    (7CL)

• 9) Other business    (7CM)
  • none    (7CN)

• 10) Next meeting date and adjourn    (7CO)
  • next meeting, same time next week, Thu 2003-08-21 10:30~11:30am PDT    (7CP)
  • meeting adjourned 11:28am PDT    (7CQ)

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 notes taken by JohnYunker & PeterYim in real time on the wiki
 / 2003-08-14_11:48am PDT    (7CR)