Joint SIO-OOR-Ontolog Panel Discussion: "Getting the SIO Project Going" - Thu 25-Mar-2010    (2CUP)

This is a joint SIO-OOR-Ontolog Panel Session for the community who wants to see a community-wide sharing and integration of ontologies. This session follows from the 16-Mar-2010 post OntologySummit session during which the new "Shared and Integrated Ontologies (SIO)" project was officially born.    (2CUQ)

Conference Call Details    (2CV7)

Attendees:    (2CW7)

Resources    (2CWM)

Background: Sharing and Integrating Ontologies    (2CWU)

The challenge of relating ontologies so that the instance data associated with the ontologies can effectively interoperate has been researched and debated for a long time -- seriously for the last decade, and arguably, for the past six decades since the inception of artificial intelligence, or, some would even say, that this has been going on for millennia.    (2CWV)

Informed by the UpperOntologySummit (2006) dialog, with support from the OntologySummit2008 as well as the OpenOntologyRepository work, and prompted by rigorous discussion on the [ontolog-forum] mailing list over the past 2~3 months, which JohnSowa synthesized by drawing upon his "lattice of theories" and other related approaches. The community has finally made a leap into starting a project to implement some of the ideas that have been considered. The result is the founding of the "Shared and Integrated Ontologies (SIO)" project as the conclusion of our recent 16-Mar-2010 post OntologySummit session.    (2CWW)

In this session, we try to get the perspectives from some of the key players who were in those earlier conversations, and hopefully, draw up a Charter to get this SIO project work started, in a way the community wants to drive it.    (2CYY)

Agenda & Proceedings:    (2CX0)

Session Topic: Getting the SIO Project Going    (2CX1)

Transcript of the online chat during the session:    (2CX7)

 see raw transcript here.    (2CX8)
 (for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.)
 Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.    (2CX9)
    -- begin of chat session --    (2CXA)
	 PeterYim:
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	Welcome to the Joint SIO-OOR-Ontolog Panel Discussion: "Getting the SIO Project Going" - Thu 25-Mar-2010    (2EN1)
	* Chair: Dr. JohnSowa (Vivomind Intelligence)    (2EN2)
	* Panelists:
	  o Dr. MatthewWest (Information Junction)
	  o Dr. NicolaGuarino (LAO-CNR)
	  o Dr. PatCassidy (Micra)
	  o Professor MichaelGruninger (U of Toronto)
	  o Professor JohnBateman (U of Bremen)
	  o Mr. MikeDean (Raytheon-BBN)  
	  o Mr. PeterYim (Ontolog; CIM3)    (2EN3)
	anonymous morphed into HaroldSolbrig    (2EN4)
	anonymous2 morphed into MattHettinger    (2EN5)
	anonymous1 morphed into BartGajderowicz    (2EN6)
	BartGajderowicz: @PeterYim, are the slides for 3-Guarino and 7-Dean available?    (2EN7)
	anonymous1 morphed into KevinKeck    (2EN8)
	anonymous morphed into Lyn Niemeyer    (2EN9)
	anonymous morphed into PavithraKenjige    (2ENA)
	CameronRoss: hello    (2ENB)
	PeterYim: @Bart - no, we don't have slides from NicolaGuarino and MikeDean ... some panelists may 
	choose to make their remarks without slides ... I have urged them (and everyone) to document the 
	points they are making on this chat-board, though    (2ENC)
	GaryBergCross: I expect that someone will define "shared" and "integrated" in the SIO title so we 
	are clear on the goal.    (2END)
	PeterYim: @Gary - that would be a good question for JohnSowa ... he named this project "SIO"    (2ENE)
	ArturoSanchez: @Michael: is there an ontology which defines "meta-data" (as you called them) terms?    (2ENF)
	PhilMurray: Gotta go (2:10). Very interesting. Let me know how I might help.    (2ENG)
	KevinKeck: Did I miss a discussion of why it should be named "shared and integrated" rather than 
	sharing and integrating? I personally rather like the latter, as in the title of John's motivating 
	presentation.    (2ENH)
	PeterYim: @PhilMurray - thank you ... we'll probably be starting a new [sio-forum] mailing list; I 
	will subscribe everyone who participated today ... see you there!    (2ENI)
	PeterYim: @Kevin - we did not have such a conversation    (2ENJ)
	KevinKeck: To the extent that we are developing "scripts" and methods in addition to ontologies, I 
	think the -ing form is preferable.    (2ENK)
	PeterYim: @Kevin - let's bring that up during the Q&A/open-discussion segment ... since JohnSowa 
	took the lead on this effort, we did say (during the Mar-16 meeting) to let him make the call on how 
	to label this effort    (2ENL)
	ArturoSanchez: Wow! What a good interoperability example!! Destiny is laughing at us now    (2ENM)
	anonymous1 morphed into JohnBateman    (2ENN)
	GaryBergCross: Missing the Spring time change has a bit more bite when you are trying to make a 
	plane flight back to the US as happended to me last year.    (2ENO)
	JohnBateman: I think I'm doing well when I manage to remember to get the spring/fall time change 
	right in just *one* timezone, let alone several!    (2ENP)
	PeterYim: @MatthewWest, NicolaGuarino, JohnBateman, AlexGarcia - my apologies for having posted the 
	wrong start time for our colleagues from Europe (the US has moved over to Daylight Saving Time on 
	Mar-14, but Europe is still on "standard time" until Mar-2    (2ENQ)
	Lyn Niemeyer: Thank you so much for allowing me to listen in. I have to move on, but I am enthused 
	that this group is looking at ontology inter-operability while the ontology concept is still in the 
	craft stage. I can't offer much expertise in this area as my work is on a much more lay-level, 
	however I intend to keep tabs on your work! Have a beautiful day.    (2ENR)
	anonymous1 morphed into PierreGrenon    (2ENS)
	PeterYim: @Lyn Niemeyer - thank you very much for participating today, Lyn    (2ENT)
	KevinKeck: Slide #20 made me think of OMG's ODM.    (2ENU)
	KevinKeck: (and John's comments on the mailing list of integrating with mainstream tools)    (2ENV)
	PeterYim: JohnSowa: suggest that JohnBateman or other folks to work on the ability to translate to 
	UML    (2ENW)
	MikeBennett: Indeed, I thought ODM had quie a lot of traction.    (2ENX)
	HaroldSolbrig: ODM, however, has a risk. Many people think that converting a UML information model 
	to OWL gives ontology...    (2ENY)
	HaroldSolbrig: ... but the only ontology you get is about tables (e.g. parents are optional, but all 
	people inherently have SSN's...)    (2ENZ)
	MikeBennett: Not if you use ODM properly - if defines a complete metamodel, which can be 
	implemented. Of course that doesn't guarantee that's what built is an ontology, but to the same 
	extent that having something in OWL doesn't guarantee that it's an ontology.    (2EO0)
	HaroldSolbrig: The problem is that, by and large, UML models data. It is very strange to hear the 
	claims these days about what sorts of ontology now exists, thanks to ODM conversions of 
	implementation models.    (2EO1)
	HaroldSolbrig: And even more interesting to see what they assert...    (2EO2)
	MikeBennett: Well I don't know about that but I know that I have been able to use ODM (in an early 
	draft) to create a workable ontology using a UML tool. It's down to having a clear approach to 
	meaning, but that seems clear enough in OWL as it is. I don't see what difference the toolset makes 
	at the level of the ontology content (obviously it makes a difference in terms of URIs etc.).    (2EO3)
	MikeBennett: Anyway "UML models data" is a bit like saying "paper creates charcoal sketches".    (2EO4)
	HaroldSolbrig: I realize I misspoke - UML tends to be used to model data.    (2EO5)
	HaroldSolbrig: We are just frustrated because folks are taking shortcuts - on the basis that now 
	that they've got the ODM, there is no longer need for ontology modeling. They've already got it.    (2EO6)
	CameronRoss: @JohnBateman: Does the HETS GPL-like license support its use within commercial 
	applications?    (2EO7)
	HaroldSolbrig: A risk that I think this community needs to be aware of...    (2EO8)
	MikeBennett: @Harold fair point. I think the theoretical framework is as important regardless of 
	what tools or syntax are used    (2EO9)
	JohnBateman: Example of relabelling: see my slide 12, where we see CASL *parameterisation*. There we 
	have the abstract generalized mereology theory GENMEREOLOGY which is reused for time (T), space (S) 
	and perdurants (PD). This is exactly the kind of useful relabelling meant and shows how (a) it is 
	already used in ontology design and (b) is fully supported by HETS structuring methods.    (2EOA)
	MikeBennett: Certified - in light of the above notes on ODM, should this include some sanity check 
	on there being a workable theory of meaning inthe ontology in the first place?    (2EOB)
	PeterYim: @MikeDean ... missed you calling in earlier, please make your remarks right after JohnSowa 
	finishes ... (we only have about 15 minutes left)    (2EOC)
	MikeDean: @PeterYim - sounds good    (2EOD)
	MikeDean: Mike Dean is one of the co-conveners of OOR, along with Peter Yim and Leo Obrst    (2EOE)
	MikeDean: I'd like to echo Peter Yim's comments about the value of this effort and bridging between 
	related communities    (2EOF)
	MikeDean: OOR is pleased to support SIO    (2EOG)
	MikeDean: good opportunity to attract more OOR users and developers    (2EOH)
	MikeDean: We look forward to further collaboration!    (2EOI)
	PeterYim: folks: one more mishap on today's session ... the audio recording will only be for this 
	last segment (the last 20~30 minutes only ... the earlier presentations didn't make it in) ... 
	sorry! ... I will be contacting the earlier speakers and try to get a recording of their talks 
        offline, and then edit those back into the session recording.    (2EOJ)
	PeterYim: JohnSowa: re-labeling the project "Sharing and Integrating Ontologies"    (2EOK)
	PeterYim: new mailing list: [sio-dev] to address the next level of granularity    (2EOL)
	PeterYim: the overall conversation on "Sharing and Integrating Ontologies" will stay on the 
	[ontolog-forum] list    (2EOM)
	PeterYim: JohnSowa will start a thread on [ontolog-forum] to work up the SIO Project Charter    (2EON)
	PeterYim: thank you everyone, for the participation ... great session!    (2EOO)
	PeterYim: -- session ended: 2010.03.25-12:38 --    (2EOP)
    -- end of chat session --    (2CXB)

An Open Invitation    (2CXE)

If you are among those who want to see the sharing and integration of ontologies as an enabler for improved information and data interoperability, we cordially invite you to join us in this new "Shared and Integrated Ontologies (SIO)" project community.    (2CXF)

Audio Recording of this Session    (2CXH)

For the record ...    (2CXP)

How To Join (while the session is in progress)    (2CXQ)