SemanticWiki mini-series Session-4 - Thu 22-Jan-2009    (1RYT)

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SemanticWiki mini-series Background    (1S0H)

The Semantic Wiki mini-series a 6-month mini-series comprising Talks, Panel Discussions and Online Discourse. The series is co-organized by FZI Karlsruhe, Mayo Clinic, Ontolog, RPI Tetherless World Constellation and Salzburg Research, Austria. This represents a collaborative effort between members from academia, research, software engineering, semantic web and ontology communities. The 6-month mini-series intends to bring together developers, administrators and users of semantic wikis, and provide a platform where they can conveniently share ideas and insights. Through a series of (mainly virtual) talks, panel discussions, online discourse and even face-to-face meetings, participants will survey the state-of-the-art in semantic wiki technology and get exposure to exemplary use cases and applications. Together, they will study trends, challenges and the outlook for semantic wikis, and explore opportunities for collaboration in the very promising technology, approach or philosophy which people has labeled "semantic wiki."    (1S0I)

This series of virtual events will dovetail into the face-to-face workshop: "Social Semantic Web: Where Web 2.0 Meets Web 3.0" at the AAAI Spring Symposium (March 23-25, 2009 at Stanford, California, USA - see: ).    (1S0J)

See: our SemanticWiki mini-series homepage and the developing program for the rest of the series.    (1S0K)

Agenda & Proceedings:    (1S2W)

Session Abstract: Semantic Wiki Applications & Use Cases (1): vertical applications    (1S0L)

by MikeDean & PeterYim    (1S0M)

Semantic wikis have grown beyond their initial use as community-developed web sites to support full applications, often as web portals. Today's session will focus on "vertical" applications specific to a given domain, while Session 5 will focus on "horizontal" applications that are more domain neutral.    (1S1L)

The purpose of this session is to showcase some of the domain specific applications that utilize semantic wikis. Our panelists will be presenting applications in the Biomedical Informatics, Healthcare, Mapping and Mathematics domains.    (1S0N)

Questions and Discussion captured from the chat session:    (1SL8)

Edited transcript ...    (1SL9)

 PeterYim: Welcome to the SemanticWiki mini-series Session-4 - Thu 22-Jan-2009    (1SLA)
 * Mini-series Title: Semantic Wikis: The Wiki Way to the Semantic Web 
 * Session-4 Topic: Semantic Wiki Applications & Use Cases (1): vertical applications
 * Session Chair: Mr. MikeDean (BBN) & Mr. PeterYim (CIM3; Ontolog) 
 * Panelists: Mr. HaroldSolbrig / Dr. GuoqianJiang (Mayo Clinic); Dr. JieBao / Dr. LiDing (RPI/TWC); Mr. ChristophLange (Jacobs University)    (1SLB)
 VNC2: Please remember to change your name (via "Settings") to your WikiWord name for proper identification and attribution. Thanks.    (1SLC)
 ChristophLange: "grid" (in LexGrid) is not related to "grid computing" here, is it?    (1SLD)
 PeterYim: @ChristophLange re. "LexGrid" ... the answer is no ... see:    (1SLE)
 ChristophLange: @PeterYim: thanks!    (1SLF)
 HaroldSolbrig: LexGrid was created to enable a distributed "grid" of terminology resources.  It is used as a grid node in the 
                caBIG project, but it isn't a "grid computing" resource in the classic sense. ... btw, it was originally built using LDAP.    (1SLG)
 YaronKoren: Maybe it's worth talking about your workflow-functionality needs on the SMW users mailing list.    (1SLH)
 PhilippZaltenbach: Harold: how do you use the SKOS elements within SMW? Do you integrate them with semantic forms or do you let the people 
                    freely annotate article contents with SKOS properties?    (1SLI)
 HaroldSolbrig: Where appropriate, we map the LexWiki to SKOS - the RDF rendering for "comment" is the SKOS equivalent, so it comes out "SKOS".    (1SLJ)
 HaroldSolbrig: We are looking forward to the new SKOS release, as it provides better alignment with other resources (DC and OWL)    (1SLK)
 YaronKoren: Are you using the "Equivalent URI" property?    (1SLL)
 HaroldSolbrig: Yes, although more in the RDF/SKOS/OWL rendering.    (1SLM)
 HaroldSolbrig: We also need to revise the RDF dump.  We're stuck on an old version because the Protege importer is fixed 
                (this is BiomedGT, btw. ICD11 has more flexibility)    (1SLN)
 PhilippZaltenbach: ic, we plan to directly integrate some core elements of SKOS within our next Halo release, in order 
                    to allow people to create and maintain terminologies / thesauri    (1SLO)
 HaroldSolbrig: That covers a portion of the space...    (1SLP)
 JieBao: [note: missed putting this into the slides] Tetherless Map extension:    (1SLQ)
 Jason Zou: Having core elements of SKOS integrate into wiki will save me a lot of work. I am looking forward to the new release of Halo.    (1SLR)
 HaroldSolbrig:    (1SLS)
 HaroldSolbrig: These pages are a bit dated - I keep meaning to get a more recent update...    (1SLT)
 HaroldSolbrig: ... posted.  We've revised it internally.    (1SLU)
 PhilippZaltenbach: thx for the link. i think the plan for the next release of halo is scheduled at the beginning of march.    (1SLV)
 GuoqianJiang: good to know. is that rule extension incorporated?    (1SLW)
 GuoqianJiang: I mean the simple rule extension introduced in last ontolog session    (1SLX)
 PhilippZaltenbach: yeah, i know what you mean. unfortunately not, since we have not the resources at the moment to develop it further.    (1SLY)
 GuoqianJiang: I see, thanks    (1SLZ)
 PeterYim: @ChristophLange - on your slide#12 what do parentheses (like "(y) or "(n)") denote? ... as opposed to a normal "y" or "n"    (1SM0)
 ChristophLange: @PeterYim: (y) roughly means "yes, but...", consider e.g. metadata in SlugMath: as it is SMW, it _would_ support metadata, 
                 but it doesn't have any particular metadata vocabulary installed    (1SM1)
 ChristophLange: (n) -- e.g. verification in SWiM: the knowledge representation (the OMDoc language) would permit it (with converters 
                 from/to theorem proving languages existing), but the wiki does not yet expose this on the user interface    (1SM2)
 ChristophLange: and by y/n i meant "yes in some regard, but no in others", e.g. semantic formulae in ASciencePad: 
                 mostly you enter formulas by their appearance and the system does not understand them, but if you draw a graph or 
                 compute something, the system does interpret a formula    (1SM3)
 YaronKoren: If we order now, will you throw in a free set of knives?    (1SM4)
 MikeAxelrod: lol    (1SM5)
 KeiCheung:  [note: missed putting this into the slide]    (1SM6)
 DanielHansch: My credits go to Mike Axelrod who has built SMW+ 1.4's project management ontology. Thanks Mike! Great work!!    (1SM7)
 MikeAxelrod: Thank you Daniel    (1SM8)
 YaronKoren: WikiNeuron - cool.    (1SM9)
 KeiCheung: thanks!    (1SMA)
 KeiCheung: I'm using some of your extensions.    (1SMB)
 YaronKoren: When will it be released? I didn't hear, if you said it.    (1SMC)
 KeiCheung: it's still ongoing and I'll keep you and others posted. Also, I'd like to interact with you and others in terms of 
            expanding it if it's OK with you ...    (1SMD)
 YaronKoren: Sure.    (1SME)
 KeiCheung: great!    (1SMF)
 YaronKoren: Also, feel free to write the SMW and SF mailing lists.    (1SMG)
 KeiCheung: will do.    (1SMH)
 ChristophLange: Announcement: call for papers for the 4th semantic wiki workshop (Crete, Greece, 31 May) is out:    (1SMI)
 YaronKoren: John - are you asking about SMW, or in general?    (1SMJ)
 YaronKoren: (How do you unmute?)    (1SMK)
 ChristophLange: [ *2 ]    (1SML)
 DanielHansch: by all together. thx for the interesting presentations.    (1SMM)
 ChristophLange: generally, talking about external (= non-wiki) resources in a sem. wiki is interesting IMHO    (1SMN)
 ChristophLange: @JohnMcClure: [ ref. your question about work on attaching documents to a semantic wiki and drawing semantics from the 
                 attached documents; essentially any work in the structural aspects within a semantic wiki to accomodate attached documents ] 
                 you mean standoff markup, i.e. pointers from the wiki into the docs?    (1SMO)
 JohnMcClure: Christoph, yes standoff markup    (1SMP)
 JohnMcClure: I would like to see wikis used for medical records mngmnet, and it would need to have standoff to be effective... thanks    (1SMQ)
 Chris Mitchell: This solution seems quite like the solution XWiki users are using... they can use the new Office Importer 
                 ( to help facilitate population 
                 of the wiki and there is the ability to produce semantic functionality in the manner most recently described 
                 - I hope to research this further (example:    (1SMR)
 YaronKoren: What's standoff?    (1SMS)
 ChristophLange: annotation that is not embedded right into the document to be marked up    (1SMT)
 ChristophLange: but that points there from outside    (1SMU)
 ChristophLange: i.e. stands off/aside the doc    (1SMV)
 JohnMcClure: basically source information for a Statement    (1SMW)
 YaronKoren: Ah, okay - I didn't know it had a name.    (1SMX)
 JohnMcClure: probably should use XPointer for xml docs    (1SMY)
 JohnMcClure: last question from me ... is there the feeling that a Statement = Wikipage ?    (1SMZ)
 YaronKoren: Yeah, but I would think XML documents aren't in need of as much annotation as free-form text or image documents.    (1SN0)
 JohnMcClure: agreed, but I am concerned that that is the wrong model... a Wikipage contains many Statements, but the problem 
              is that a Statement then is hard to annotate itself    (1SN1)
 JohnMcClure: thanks Yaron I need to go now, and review all that I missed!    (1SN2)
 JohnMcClure: bye    (1SN3)
 ChristophLange: Peter and others: thank you too!    (1SN4)
 MikeBennett: Thanks all - interesting stuff.    (1SN5)
 GuoqianJiang: Thank you all    (1SN6)
 KeiCheung: Thanks and bye!    (1SN7)
 PeterYim: Thank you, everyone, for another wonderful session! ... bye    (1SN8)
 MikeAxelrod: Thanks all!  bye    (1SN9)
 ChristophLange: bye all    (1SNA)
 PeterYim: Look out for the upcoming Ontolog session (5-Feb-2009) on Pattern-based Ontology Design. The team from 
           Institute for Cognitive Sciences and Technology (Rome, Italy) working on that actually runs 
           an ODP (Ontology Design Pattern) semantic wiki too!    (1SNB)

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