Let it be, we go in peace... (01)
Mike (02)
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From: Obrst, Leo J. [mailto:lobrst@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 4:48 PM
To: Upper Ontology Summit convention
Subject: RE: Definition of 'co-sponsor' [was-Re: [uos-convene]
UOSco-sponsorship - NEED ANSWER] (03)
Ok, sorry: I rescind my comments. Let's put this behind us, please, and
move on. The important issues still await us. (04)
Thanks much,
Leo (05)
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Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 7:20 PM
To: Upper Ontology Summit convention
Subject: Definition of 'co-sponsor' [was-Re: [uos-convene] UOS
co-sponsorship - NEED ANSWER] (07)
Thank you all for spending time to discuss this. (08)
Unfortunately, this is not the type of issue we can settle by voting.
... especially not now, after our solicitation has gone out and some
organizations (like UBL, and even NSF, from Maria's earlier message
which I find to be extremely encouraging) are still working on getting
their 'co-sponsorship' confirmed for us. (09)
As such, I don't think this is a issue we even need to deliberate here
any more. Nor is it productive for this group to be spending our
precious time in lieu of tackling some of the important issues that we
REALLY need consensus on before Mar. 15. (010)
Going back to the very first message, when the co-sponsorship
solicitation came out (and that was my message dated Sun, 26 Feb
2006 12:33:31 -0800 - see:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/uos-convene/2006-02/msg00054.html),
that solicitation went out to 30 or so organizations based on the
definition of: "'Co-sponsors' are organizations who would provide
technical or funding support (which all of you are already doing),
and/or endorsing the purpose of this Upper Ontology Summit effort. No
other 'cost' or requirement are involved ...
other than everyone's good intentions." ... We simply aren't in a
position to retract the solicitation, nor, change the definition of
'co-sponsor' now. (011)
I believe I can see why Mike Uschold wants the definition changed, or
feel that we are delivering a "wrong" message. He probably feels that it
would be more "fair", if that 'co-sponsor'
label is applied "exclusively" to organizations that are really making a
(technical or financial) contribution to bring the UOS about. (012)
However, there is a good reason for original choice of the 'co-sponsor'
definition (by the organizing committee) -- we wanted to be "inclusive"
and enlist people who are willing to say they endorse our UOS purpose.
Therefore, that was NOT a wrong message, rather that IS THE MESSAGE we
wanted to convey. The UOS is designed to be BOTH a technical event AND a
marketing event ... and they both need to be successful before we can
deliver what we set out to do. I trust we all want to help move upper
ontologies into the main stream ... I think it will be easier if we are
willing to open our doors to more people. (013)
Bottom line ... can I humbly ask everyone to accept that original
definition (my 'latest' proposal is nothing more than a cleaned up
version of that original definition) and move on to address the more
critical issues, please? (014)
Thanks & regards. =ppy
-- (015)
Bill Andersen wrote Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:49:49 -0500:
> I like (1) (016)
> On Mar 3, 2006, at 18:06 , Obrst, Leo J. wrote:
>
>> Ok, in the interests of brevity and harmony, I advocate the simpler:
>>
>> 1) "'Co-sponsors' are organizations who are providing technical or
>> funding support for the Upper Ontology Summit."
>>
>> If that's too strong, then:
>>
>> 2) "'Co-sponsors' are organizations who are providing technical or
>> funding support."
>>
>> Either of those acceptable to folks?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Leo
>>
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>> [mailto:uos-convene-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Obrst,
Leo
>> J.
>> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:26 PM
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>> Subject: RE: [uos-convene] UOS co-sponsorship - NEED ANSWER
>>
>> The rationale for the current wording, from the perspective of the
>> organizers:
>>
>> "'Co-sponsors' are organizations who are providing technical or
>> funding support, and/or endorsing the purpose of this Upper Ontology
>> Summit."
>>
>> is that some organizations may be providing directly neither
technical
>> nor funding support, but which still endorse the purpose of this
Upper
>> Ontology Summit. NCOR, possibly, for example. The W3C, perhaps, none
of
>> whose members may physically show up. There may be others. The
actual
>> wording we agreed on was to eliminate the unnecessary "and/or",
since
>> "or" is not exclusive:
>>
>> "'Co-sponsors' are organizations who are providing technical or
>> funding support, or endorsing the purpose of this Upper Ontology
>> Summit."
>>
>> I would rephrase this more clearly as:
>> "'Co-sponsors' are organizations who are providing technical or
>> funding support or who endorse the purpose of this Upper Ontology
>> Summit."
>>
>> I think this lets everyone on or off the hook, no?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Leo
>>
>> _____________________________________________
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:uos-convene-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill
>> Andersen
>> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 4:47 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [uos-convene] UOS co-sponsorship - NEED ANSWER
>>
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2006, at 16:45 , Uschold, Michael F wrote:
>>
>>> Argggh. The trouble with this is I cannot easily have Boeing
formally
>>> endorse anything. I can say that Boeing gave technical support,
>>> because they sent me. Hence, my suggestion of a very simple
>>> statement:
>>>
>>> 'Co-sponsors' are organizations who are providing technical or
>> funding
>>> support,
>>
>> Seconded. While I don't have to worry about a big company's rules,
>> I'd like to reserve Ontology Works' support of the outcome until I
>> see what that outcome is.
>>
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