All, (01)
If a CUO isn't essential for semantic interoperability, can anyone
explain how it can be done without it? (02)
But first some clarification: (03)
1. We know it can be done with a person in the loop, with P2P interfaces, and
inside stovepipes, but they are too expensive to scale. (04)
2. One possible answer is to interrelate multiple UOs, which we will explore. (05)
3. 'Essential' does not mean 'sufficient.' Nobody is saying a CUO in inself is
all you need for semantic interoperability. We know no single ontology could
cover all concepts, so we'd need domain and sub-domain ontologies. I don't
think we know how much semantic interoperability we'll lose and keep when
crossing domains. (06)
Jim Schoening (07)
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Here here, err on the side of saying things that are easy to argue or
demonstrate from actual experience. The ROI remarks fit this bill exactly. (09)
M. (010)
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Dear Bill, (012)
You say: (013)
> The point here is that the ROI from using ULO for both domain ontology
> construction and for integration is higher than similar attempts
> undertaken without ULO. (014)
I agree. (015)
I think this is what we really want to say, rather than whether it is essential
or indeispensible. It is a simple economic argument that ought to be listened
to by potential funders. (016)
Regards (017)
Matthew West
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http://www.matthew-west.org.uk/ (019)
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:uos-convene-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Bill
> Andersen
> Sent: 28 February 2006 23:47
> To: Upper Ontology Summit convention
> Subject: Re: [uos-convene] Other Approaches Too.
>
>
> Hey Mike,
>
> See below.
>
> On Feb 28, 2006, at 18:31 , Uschold, Michael F wrote:
>
> > To the extent that 'Indispensable' is a semantic dead-ringer for
> > 'essential', this suggestion amounts to changing 'essential' to
> > 'increasingly essential'.
> >
> > Also, indispensable and essential are pretty black and white
> > concepts, Either it is or it is not.
> >
> > It is not clear what 'increasingly essential's means. Nearer to a
> > state of being essential, crossing that b/w divide?
> >
> > The more I think about it, the more I'm ok with the other wording,
> > by I forget who.
> >
> > Something like "essential for affordable and ... semantic
> > interoperability"
> >
> > This is less controversial.
>
> I'm not certain that "less controversial" is something we ought to be
> shooting for. The very position that ULO brings something
> qualitatively different to building and successfully employing
> ontologies is what's being assumed in this forum by its participants.
> I don't know about the other "public" participants, but we at Ontology
> Works have had much success applying our ULO and Barry Smith documents
> similar success:
>
> Jonathan Simon, James Matthew Fielding and Barry Smith, "Using
> Philosophy to Improve the Coherence and Interoperability of
> Applications Ontologies: A Field Report on the Collaboration of IFOMIS
> and L&C", in Gregor Büchel, Bertin Klein and Thomas Roth- Berghofer
> (eds.), Proceedings of the First Workshop on Philosophy and
> Informatics. Deutsches Forschungszentrum für künstliche Intelligenz,
> Cologne: 2004, 65-72.
> http://ontology.buffalo.edu/medo/FOBKSI.pdf
>
> The point here is that the ROI from using ULO for both domain ontology
> construction and for integration is higher than similar attempts
> undertaken without ULO. Thus, I don't think Barry's wording is too
> strong at all. I would dare say that the onus is on those who
> advocate some other path to show that ULO does not have these
> differential ROI benefits. To do that, they would have to say how
> they, without ULO, would have reproduced all the same results - and at
> less cost. Such trade studies are sadly lacking.
>
> .bill
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