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RE: [uos-convene] Here we go again

To: Upper Ontology Summit convention <uos-convene@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: "Smith, Barry" <phismith@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:34:19 -0500
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I have been round in these circles with Matthew several times before.

1. I think an ontology which does not distinguish between processes and their bearers will at least have this defect: that people not familiar with high-level metaphysics and/or with the computational advantages which 4D-ism brings will not understand it, and therefore either not use it or use it badly (I can supply examples of the latter if required)

2. As Matthew knows full well, I, like many others, believe that both continuants and occurrents exist; and that one can adopt a position which both a 4D and a 3D component. Someone like Matthew can thus embrace just the former, and leave the rest of us to embrace both.

BS



At 08:07 AM 2/27/2006, you wrote:
Dear Barry,
 
See below.
 

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Subject: [uos-convene] Beginnings of a draft Upper Level Ontology

Here is a proposal with regard to a highest common factor ULO.

Most General Term for Everything Which Exists: Entity
 
MW: So far so good :-)

An ontology is a representation of types of entities; all types have instances.
 
MW: We go wrong immediately for commonality with 4D.

Top-level Dichotomy

continuant (an entity which endures as one and the same through time
while undergoing changes, e.g. organisms, plans, color-qualities)

occurrent (an entity which unfold through time in successive phases,
what are also often called 'processes')
 
MW: I can see this working for a common 3D ontology, but of course does not work with 4D since these sorts of things are not mutually exclussive in 4D. If you want to pursue this route, then I'm inclined to suggest trying to work on a common upper 3D ontology, and then map between that and a common 4D upper ontology. I think a common 3D upper ontology would be useful in its own right.
 
MW: However, I also think that this would illustrate what would not be shared between a 3D and 4D ontology, since they are different theories at a very high level. I also think lower level theories of what exists, like biological taxonomies, could be shared, provided they are independent of a particular upper ontology.

Second-Level Dichotomy

dependent entity (an entity which has one or more bearers or carriers on which
it depends, all occurrent entities are dependent, since they are all processes or changes in one or more
bearer or participant)
 
MW: As a principle I can agree with this...

independent entity (entities which do not require bearers; objects, things).

Dependent Continuant Entity can then be divided into:

quality
role
function
shape
plan
etc.
 
MW: But I would not recognise these as having this pattern in 4D.

Many dependent continuant entities are realizable in processes of corresponding sorts; for example functions in functionings, programs and plans in executions, etc.

BS
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