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Cc: James Masters <cmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, uom-ontology-admin <uom-ontology-admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:21:49 -0800
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Ed (and All) ...    (01)


> [EB]  I have to disagree. ... I disagree. ...    (02)

[ppy]  ok, that's fair .. .I should have said:    (03)

  "to eventually produce the *one* owl UoM_ontology_standard at OASIS"    (04)

However, getting as much draft as we can, before even moving the
project over to OASIS did occur to me as a goal (before.)    (05)

> [EB]  ... there will be no English language text until an OWL Working
> Draft is circulated, and the UML diagrams will be maintained to match
> the OWL WD.  Any other strategy just results in further re-/retro-fits.
> The CLIF form enhances the OWL model; English and UML document it.
> Or at least, that was my understanding.    (06)

[ppy]  Agree ... but as (potentially) our general editor, maybe you
can help provide a draft structure (a TOC?) to the QUOMOS English
document, which can guide and integrate the work of the ontology
editors?    (07)

Just suggestions ... I shall defer to you on what needs to be done.    (08)


Cheers.  =ppy
--    (09)


On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Ed Barkmeyer <edbark@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Peter Yim wrote:
>> The challenge would be for you, Chip and Hans Peter to sync up among
>> yourselves (off-line, as the case may be) and with PatHayes and
>> DavidLeal too, to produce the *one* owl UoM_ontology_standard.
>>
>
> I have to disagree.  What Peter describes makes the further
> participation of most of us pointless.
>
> The idea is that the three existing OWL ontologies can be merged with
> respect to common concepts and agree on one term for each of those
> concepts.  Where there are differences of opinion as to what the
> conceptual model should be, those should be raised as issues.  That
> gives us a baseline.  But the "*one* owl UoM_ontology_standard" will be
> developed by the TC/WG from that baseline in an open process.
>
> The idea is that the 3 OWL Champions, having done the work, can
> recognize the differences that are just terminological and the
> differences that are modeling choices, and the differences that are
> conceptual concerns.  They can give the group a baseline in which the
> terminological differences and most of the modeling style issues have
> been sorted out, as if they had all been party to one activity in the
> first place.  But once we have a Working Draft, it will be up to the TC
> to capture and resolve issues and to appoint an editor to maintain the
> Working Draft.
>
> And OBTW, there will be no English language text until an OWL Working
> Draft is circulated, and the UML diagrams will be maintained to match
> the OWL WD.  Any other strategy just results in further re-/retro-fits.
> The CLIF form enhances the OWL model; English and UML document it.  Or
> at least, that was my understanding.
>
>> The plan was that we get all the drafting done, before even moving
>> over to OASIS, so that we will onlyt be leveraging the OASIS-SDO
>> setting to make the work into a recognized "standard." ... I guess we
>> are still aiming to do just that.
>>
>
> I disagree.  The plan is to have a baseline specification for the
> principal modules when we convene the TC, and to develop it into a
> consensus standard via the OASIS open process.  This is not a NASA joint
> project pushing for wider adoption as is.  (If we had a document that
> had multiple supporting parties already using it, the process Peter
> describes would be what was wanted, and OMG RFC would probably be a
> better choice.  That is the kind of thing the UCUM is doing.)
>
> -Ed
>
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