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[oor-forum] Ontolog v. OOR Deliverable [was Re: OOR Deliverable]

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From: Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 09:22:33 -0700
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(... please ignore my last paragraph in my previous message; it was
meant for "this thread instead.  =ppy)    (01)

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From: Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [oor-forum] OOR Deliverable
To: OpenOntologyRepository-discussion <oor-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>    (02)

Cameron and All,    (03)

> We meet, we discuss, we're talking about architecture, people are
> starting to develop interfaces, we have the OOR sandbox...    (04)

[ppy]  ...  yes, those (the 17-sep-2010 meeting, for example) were OOR
meetings (not Ontolog meetings).    (05)

OOR deliverables are driven by it's mission (ref. The OOR Charter -
) and what OOR member (individuals or contributing projects) bring to
the table.    (06)

... noting that, (at least) for the moment, there is no overall
funding for the "OOR" initiative, and hence, no specific commitment to
a specific set of deliverables, the alternative-week OOR team meeting
have been working on this continuously since 2008.    (07)

That said, most of the contributing projects in the OOR "family" (say,
from BioPortal, to work at NEU, Bremen, UofToronto, .. .alll the way
to the SOCoP-INTEROP, which just got funded by NSF) would almost
definitely have specific deliverables. The art and science of
coordinating these to deliver the OOR mission, is, obviously, the team
needs to work on too.    (08)

To avoid further confusion, you could start another thread on "OOR
Deliverables" (or morph this over) if you want.    (09)

Regards.  =ppy
--    (010)

On 9/18/10, Cameron Ross <cross@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> Thanks for the description, but it doesn't clarify for me anyway.   We
> meet, we discuss, we're talking about architecture, people are
> starting to develop interfaces, we have the OOR sandbox... surely
> we're striving for more than a water cooler discussion!
> This collective set of activities, whatever you chose to call them,
> should deliver something tangible.  Is this to be a specification for
> an OOR, an implementation of an OOR, or both, or neither?
> Cameron
> Sent from my iPhone    (011)

> On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Thank you for asking, Cameron.  For those who weren't already aware ...
>> ONTOLOG and OOR are two separate and distinct entities (communities.)
>> ONTOLOG is a community of practice (CoP) operating on a (donated)
>> virtal collaborative work  environment (CWE), which also serves as the
>> community's dynamic knowledge repository (DKR). ... [note that Ontolog
>> is just supposed to be a good conversation (think, the water cooler
>> conversation ...)]
>> OOR is an initiative, a project, or, more appropriately, a collection
>> of projects.
>> It so happens that the OOR initiative is being incubated by Ontolog on
>> it's CWE (to the extent that some of the OOR transactions and work are
>> being done on the Ontolog CWE.)
>> While there are overlaps in these two communities' membership, there
>> is no direct mandate or relationship between the two.
>> Other communities, initiatives, projects, programs similarly incubated
>> or 'residing' in the Ontolog CWE include the annual OntologySummit
>> series, BSP, IAOA, SIO, etc. (just to show that OOR is not alone in
>> this regard.)
>> Therefore, Ontolog's deliverable to OOR (if one really has to frame it
>> that way) is to provide it with a "nice place to work," as best it
>> can.
>> Hope this clarifies things.
>> Thanks & regards.  =ppy
>> Peter Yim
>> Co-convener, ONTOLOG
>> Co-convener, OOR
>> --    (012)

On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Todd J Schneider
<todd.schneider@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Cameron,
> For my understanding, yes. Both a specification and a reference
> implementation (for use as a production system).
> Todd    (013)

>> On 9/18/10, Cameron Ross <cross@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Is the primary deliverable from ONTOLOG's work on OOR to be a
>>> specification, an implementation, or both?
>>> Cameron
>>> Sent from my iPhone    (014)

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