Re: [ontology-summit] Hackathon-Clinics Day-3 proceedings - HC-01, HC-03

[Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>]

John,

Thank you very much for the input.

> [JM] The URL provided for an example of an "ontology evaluation" never loaded ...

[ppy] I just tried again, and it loads ok (for me.)

> [JM] I think it's important to evaluate at least one ontology using the criteria identified by the communique ...

[ppy] I agree, and hence I, too, am supportive of citing some of the work from the 4 Clinics projects (out of the 7 Hackathon-Clinics); all of which, benefited from the discourse of this Summit. Whether or not they should show up in the body of the communique, or be linked to, would be an editorial matter.  In particular, as discussed during the session, I suggested the editors to consider linking to some of the work-products that transpired from HC-03.

> [JM] I think the non-discussion about "best practices" for ontologies development ...

[ppy] despite the fact that this is not supposed to be a "how-to" guide on ontologies development, I actually find the entire Communique to be a properly thought through, and well structured exposé on some of the best practices in ontologies development nonetheless; and very illuminating to me, in fact.

> [JM] In short I don't find the paper illuminating ...

[ppy] personally, I find the work to be brilliant (even at this stage); so let's just agree to disagree.

> [JM] it is but an "undisciplined informal discussion" ... unanchored to anything previously published

[ppy] in the defense of our Track champions, I am certain a very thorough review of the literature has been done; and some of the people responsible for the best work and state-of-the-art in "ontology evaluation" have actually been enlisted and contributed to this year's summit discourse. ... Did you have a chance to go through the material from the past 13 panel discussions, maybe even the community library that has been developed for this Summit, John?

I will leave your other suggestions for our lead-editors' consideration. ... I hate to go there (as this is, again, not the focus of this Summit,) but a misaligned interpretation to "what is an ontology" may be driving some of the differences in our opinions.

Regards. =ppy

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On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:53 AM, <jmcclure@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Peter,
The URL provided for an example of an "ontology evaluation" never loaded for me. Too bad as I think it's important to evaluate at least one ontology using the criteria identified by the communique. I also think the paper would be greatly improved if a glossary is explicitly included as well as references to other's work in this subject area (or to the extent of the "problem" that the paper addresses), were included.

And, as mentioned in chat, I dislike the lack of distinction between evaluation tools or procedures (or anything) as they apply to properties vs classes vs individuals.

Finally I think the non-discussion about "best practices" for ontologies development which to-date others have identified (and any of which the paper identifies?) is a major problem I'd urge be addressed prior to its publication.

In short I don't find the paper illuminating because it is but an "undisciplined informal discussion" of those in your community unanchored to anything previously published. For my view of useful, non-academic papers, see any of the W3 recommendations.

John

 

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