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Re: [ontolog-forum] Laws: physical and social

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From: Avril Styrman <Avril.Styrman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 15:42:18 +0300
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Wooops, sorry folks, I intended to send it only to John, but now that  
you all got it, comments are welcome.
It is still a draft, so your comments might actually affect the outcome.    (01)

Arvil    (02)



Quoting Avril Styrman <Avril.Styrman@xxxxxxxxxxx>:    (03)

> Hi John,
>
> if you happen to have time, you could check out the phd. Now less  
> than 100 pages! I would really appreciate your comments.
>
> Avril
>
>
> Quoting John F Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
>> In various notes to Ontolog Forum, I emphasized the importance of laws
>> (both physical and social) as a foundation for ontology.  I won't go
>> into all the details, but I'd like to make a few comments:
>>
>>  1. Laws of physics provide a more fundamental explanation of many
>>     properties than the notions of "disposition" or "tendency".
>>     Physicists, for example, would explain why glass is fragile
>>     along the following lines:
>>
>>     "Look at the structure of the material and how the atoms and
>>     molecules are linked to one another.  Given that structure
>>     and the laws of quantum mechanics, you can predict that under
>>     certain conditions, something made of steel will bend, and
>>     something of the same shape but made of glass will break."
>>
>>  2. Many people have found the term 'disposition' to be useful in
>>     defining terms in an ontology.  I have no objection to using
>>     those terms to simplify an explanation.  But I would *not*
>>     treat dispositions as fundamental.  The word 'disposition' is
>>     just a shorthand way of saying that there exists a law that
>>     makes a certain kind of prediction.
>>
>>  3. For the social sciences, the interactions are far more complex
>>     than in physics.  But there are regularities that can be used to
>>     make predictions that have a high probability of being correct.
>>     For example:
>>
>>     a) If you go to a store and pay the asking price for an item,
>>        the sales clerk will take the money and give you the item.
>>
>>     b) If you drive on a highway and stay on the designated side
>>        of the road, other drivers will stay on their side and
>>        avoid hitting you or your car.
>>
>>     c) If you work for a company and repeatedly fail to do what
>>        your manager asks you to do, you will be fired.
>>
>> For reasoning about social interactions, the laws aren't as strict
>> as the laws of physics, but game theory has proved to be useful.
>> Following is a survey article from the _Scientific American_:
>>
>> http://www.ped.fas.harvard.edu/people/faculty/publications_nowak/SciAm02.pdf
>> The economics of fair play
>>
>> Following is an influential book on the subject:
>>
>>    Axelrod, Robert (1984) _The Evolution of Cooperation_,
>>    New York: Basic Books. Revised edition, Perseus Books, 2006.
>>
>> It's significant that Richard Dawkins, who wrote the book
>> _The Selfish Gene_, wrote a highly favorable forward to the
>> revised edition of Axelrod's book.
>>
>> I'm happy to see that Dawkins endorses Axelrod's book, but
>> I remain skeptical about the memes that Dawkins proposes.
>>
>> For more info about related issues, see Axelrod's home page:
>>
>>    http://www-personal.umich.edu/~axe/
>>
>> I followed some of those links to a review of Daniel Dennet's
>> book, _Darwin's Dangerous Idea_ by H. Allen Orr:
>>
>>    http://bostonreview.net/BR21.3/Orr.html
>>
>> From the concluding section of the review:
>>
>> HAO
>>> Although he has produced a provocative and intermittently
>>> entertaining book, Dennett's chief claim is unconvincing.
>>> Darwinism may have little to tell us outside of biology.
>>
>> I strongly agree with that last line.  I also agree with
>> Orr's criticisms of Dennet's version of memes.
>>
>> In summary, I believe that laws of nature and social behavior
>> are a better foundation for ontology than dispositions.  I
>> would also recommend game theory as a useful methodology
>> for reasoning about social behavior.
>>
>> John
>>
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> Ystävällisin terveisin,
>
> Avril Styrman
> avril.styrman@xxxxxxxxxxx
> puh. +358 40 7000 589    (04)


Ystävällisin terveisin,    (05)

Avril Styrman
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