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From: Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:33:19 -0800
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> [RW] ... I certainly do not want to see the forum become
> a pitchman's paradise.    (01)

I am totally with you, Ron. That's exactly why    (02)

- talking about proprietary stuff is an exception, rather than a
routine here, and    (03)

- we do draw a distinction between people discussing those things as a
matter of technical interest, versus people pitching their own stuff    (04)

(... as for the latter, we even have contribution policies that
discourage those behavior too - see guidelines at:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nidLMK )    (05)

Regards. =ppy
--    (06)

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Ron Wheeler
<rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I think that a lot of the discussion is about proprietary projects.
> Watson was a big one.
> Many of the projects and technologies that John raises were commercial
> projects (perhaps done for government) or used products owned by IBM or
> others.
> I think that your frequent reminders that information released in this
> forum or posted to the forum will be considered to be in the public
> domain is very helpful.
> I just do not want people to be reluctant to talk about projects for
> which they or their company got paid since those are the ones where the
> client did recognize the value of the technology and was persuaded to
> pay for it.
> I do not mind hearing about successful commercial products that advance
> the state of the art.
> I may not buy them, but I still like to hear about them.
> They are at least inspiring!
> But that is just me and I certainly do not want to see the forum become
> a pitchman's paradise.
> Ron    (07)

> On 14/11/2012 2:48 PM, Peter Yim wrote:
>> Dear Piotr,
>> Thank you very much for the clarification.
>> Regards. =ppy
>> p.s. Ron & All, we do discuss proprietary tools and project, on
>> occasions here, but only under specials waivers, such as these:
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2011_02_10#nid2MXM
>> or http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2010_02_25#nid292U
>> --    (08)

>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Piotr Nowara <piotrnowara@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>> the content of the website I linked in my initial message is intended to be
>>> open-source  - one can find the license information in the source files and
>>> on my project's homepage: http://code.google.com/p/linked-facts/.
>>> I want to keep this software (the OWL-to-SQL interpreter with associated
>>> Protégé plugins and OWL files) open-source and to allow their use in the
>>> commercial projects under the terms of Mozilla Public License 1.1. The
>>> reason I mentioned about the "commercial project" is that I wanted to
>>> emphasize my intention to share an ontology-based solution capable to be
>>> deployed in a real business scenario. I’m sorry for the confusion.
>>> I have already started to upload the source code. I plan to prepare a
>>> tutorial on how to configure and deploy my software and publish it on my
>>> website but if anyone is interested  I can provide some details before I
>>> manage to prepare detailed documentation. My main goal now is to reach to
>>> potential users or contributors and hear your opinions about this project.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Piotr Nowara    (09)

>>> 2012/11/14 Ron Wheeler <rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> I am not sure what Peter was referring to as IPR policy.
>>>> I reread it just to be sure.
>>>> I read it to say that anything contributed is open but not things that
>>>> you talk about.
>>>> We talk about lots of non-open source tools.
>>>> In addition, I understood Piotr's comment to say that his tool was open
>>>> source.
>>>> He was looking for others to help out.
>>>> It is being used in a commercial project but that is pretty common with
>>>> most of the people here.
>>>> We frequently discuss projects that produce proprietary results.
>>>> Some use commercial tools and some use open source.
>>>> Did I miss something?
>>>> Ron    (010)

>>>> On 14/11/2012 1:07 PM, Jack Park wrote:
>>>>> Out of curiosity, is the link at the bottom
>>>>> http://code.google.com/p/linked-facts/ the actual code being discussed
>>>>> here?
>>>>> Jack
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> Dear  Piotr,
>>>>>> Are you (or, at the least, is your intent to) open sourcing the
>>>>>> tool/technology?
>>>>>> You might note that this is an "open" community - see our IPR Policy
>>>>>> at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid32
>>>>>> If [your] work will stay being "commercial", then this is probably not
>>>>>> the right venue to discuss it. Feel free to email me offline if you
>>>>>> have further questions.
>>>>>> Thanks & regards. =ppy
>>>>>> Peter Yim
>>>>>> Co-convenor, ONTOLOG
>>>>>> --    (011)

>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Piotr Nowara <piotrnowara@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear ontologists,
>>>>>>> I have developed an open-source software for translating ontology
>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>> descriptions of facts into SQL queries. Currently it’s based on a set
>>>>>>> of OWL
>>>>>>> ontologies and a configurable JAVA software that can be easily adapted
>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>> specific use scenario. It enables to create detailed definitions of
>>>>>>> facts in
>>>>>>> their temporal context  by writing simple sentences based on the
>>>>>>> provided
>>>>>>> vocabulary. The result is a hierarchical system of categories that can
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> automatically translated into SQL queries and used in reporting, data
>>>>>>> extraction, ad-hoc analysis etc. Below [1] is a link to a short video
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> demonstrates one of many ways of how this solution can be used. I have
>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>> started a website[2] where I intend to gradually share information on
>>>>>>> how to
>>>>>>> configure and deploy my software
>>>>>>> If you want to learn more details please send me a message. My
>>>>>>> long-term
>>>>>>> goal is to make this software accessible for a wider community so I
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> decided to look for potential users and/or contributors. Currently I'm
>>>>>>> deploying this solution in a commercial project in healthcare domain
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> it will be used for storing and integrating knowledge gathered from
>>>>>>> data-mining tools and transforming it to a set of easy-to-use SQL
>>>>>>> queries.
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Piotr Nowara
>>>>>>> [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDKtQkriRgI
>>>>>>> [2] http://code.google.com/p/linked-facts/    (012)

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