re: The Birth of a Word
Carl,
I agree, but the most important design requirement is "what is the
problem you are trying to solve?".
Of all the examples of intelligence we find in nature we can see two
key ingredients in the development of higher levels of
understanding. First, knowledge progresses from simple
understandings to more complex, it is not possible to integrate
knowledge that has no understanding underpinning it.
I have had multiple discussions where i discuss this view and
people; parents tell me: "I always talk to my kids with 'grown-up'
language. It would be demeaning to talk to them as children." But as
Deb Roy explained in his Ted lecture, the acquisition of speech
corresponds directly to a dip in the complexity of a speech pattern
by the speaking caregivers.
It is an interesting discussion of a complex topic that involves
teacher & learner in a bonded feedback loop. The video relates
the tracking of a single word, "water", captured from early babbling
to the point of correct pronunciation (point 4:50 in the video). The
graph is shown at 6:30. If you want to see the video it is at:
http://www.ted.com/talks/deb_roy_the_birth_of_a_word.html
And Second, all knowledge, speech and intelligence develops within
an ecological niche. If you don't understand the niche and it's
threats and resources, then it is impossible to define a system
architecture to address survival within that niche. Our learning and
knowledge is about those resources and my philosophy professor
repeatedly told me, "There are no rice gods where there is no rice".
-John Bottoms
FirstStar Systems
Concord, MA
On 12/7/2011 9:39 AM, carl mattocks wrote:
Duane:
I was on the UIMA TC and experimented with some open source
code .. rather than starting from scratch ... it is all good ..
but before you dive into using the code you really need to
absorb the model and have a target outcome in mind .
cheers
Carl Mattocks
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Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:15:22 -0800
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] RDF vs. EAR
On 11-12-05 5:45 PM, "Kingsley Idehen" <kidehen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>Yes, but for bootstrap at InterWeb scale, it hasn't
worked. Today's
>developer aren't ready to absorb the cost of parser
development
>especially in the Open Source era where purchasing
commercial quality
>grade libraries isn't the preferred options. People
really like the
>"Free" part of the "Freedom" aspect of Open Source.
Basically, they want
>the "Free Beer" and that's where XML parser problems
start.
DN: I have to disagree with this. I've worked in the
commercial software
industry since XML was a recommendation in 1998 and have
worked on
numerous solutions around B2B. The most widely used XML
parsers are
FOSS. Xerces, JDOM et al for Java are driving most large
businesses XML
parsing requirements. Almost every language has good XML
capabilities.
The main cost of XML interchange is mapping the instance
data to the
business services based on its' semantics.
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Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:22:42 -0800
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] RDF vs. EAR
Very valid comments.
Duane
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On 11-12-05 7:05 PM, "John F. Sowa" <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>Duane,
>
>I have a very high regard for the *ML family of
languages, which I have
>been using since the 1970s. I used GML for formatting
documents for
>most of my career at IBM -- that includes creating
camera-ready
>copy for my 1984 book and many papers that I published
externally.
>
>In the late 1980s, I participated in some workshops in
computational
>linguistics, where I recommended SGML for annotating
documents. I
>wasn't the only one who did so, but I was one of the
early adopters.
>
>When HTML came out, it was easy for me to convert GML
documents to
>HTML documents (although I missed many of the GML
formatting tags
>that had no HTML counterparts). I still use HTML for
doing almost
>all of my word processing. Then I use OpenOffice to do
the final
>formatting and translation to PDF. (And OpenOffice uses
XML under
>the covers for their document formats).
>
>I also use Mozilla tools (which are also based on XML).
>
>> XML is an "_expression_" of data. This can be
metadata, abstract
>> models, UML or just about any data imaginable.
>
>When it's appropriate, I definitely approve. But the
"sweet spot"
>for *ML is in marking up documents. That includes
inserting tags,
>such as the RDFa tags or the Microdata used by schema.org.
>
>But for anything beyond tags that are immediately
related to the
>document (as in RDFa), XML is so far out of its sweet
spot, that
>it very quickly turns sour. _javascript_ uses the
script-tag for
>inserting language-like material into web pages. That
is still
>the best way to embed languages into a web page.
>
>> I think that your assertion that Tim did it for
political pressure
>
>I didn't say that Tim B-L exerted the pressure. And I
wasn't the
>one who introduced the word 'political'. But just
listen to Guha's
>talk. He wanted to use LISP notation for RDF. So did
Ora Lassila,
>Pat Hayes, and many others who had long experience in
AI. I wasn't
>there at the time, so I don't know who to blame.
>
>> XSLT, SML Schema etc all come from the same basic
model
>
>XSLT is another disaster. There have been good tools
for processing
>languages since the 1960s. I developed some myself.
But XSLT is
>a horribly inefficient example. I'll admit that XSLT
was designed
>for processing languages whose syntax uses XML. But for
most of those
>languages, XML notation was a very bad choice -- for
both human *and*
>computer efficiency. You cannot improve a bad syntax by
using a bad
>tool to process it.
>
>John
>
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Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:26:56 -0800
Subject: [ontolog-forum] UIMA
Has anyone on this group got experience with UIMA? We are
contemplating a
project at Uberity that involves using it.
http://uima.apache.org/
Duane
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