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From: "Matthew West" <dr.matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:47:41 -0000
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Dear Anders,    (01)

That's a rather good slide. In the early 90's I would assess Shell as being
at the Add Hoc level, and I suspect they have a mixture of Common (which I
take to be mapped where there is an overlap) and Managed variants now,
mostly managed variants. I would  not expect to see a canonical solution in
the next few decades, if ever.    (02)

Regards    (03)

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-
> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anders Tell
> Sent: 14 March 2011 09:04
> To: [ontolog-forum]
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Using controlled natural languages for
ontology]
> 
> On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Matthew West wrote:
> 
> > Dear John,
> >
> >> JFS
> >>>> The point I have been repeating in different ways is that there is no
> >>>> such thing as an ideal upper level.  Many people have reached that
> >>>> conclusion after working very hard to find one.
> >>
> >> DF
> >>> This follows from the fact that what is best suited for one purpose
may
> >>> not be best suited for another.  If one application uses a narrow
number
> >>> of concepts, it need not have upper ontology components irrelevant to
> >>> the application.
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >>
> >> And this is true even for a single corporation.  All departments may
> >> contribute to the same product line.  But engineering, manufacturing,
> >> sales, finance, buildings, services, shipping, human resources, etc.,
> >> have very different ways of talking about and dealing with them.
> >
> > MW: Yes, but the different departments need to talk to each other, and
this
> > is most efficiently done with a "common language" which need not be
"ideal"
> > for any of them, but which each is able to translate into and out of.
What
> > we found in Shell was, that as you did this successively, there was
> > considerable advantage in giving up your own "language" and increasingly
> > sharing fewer more common ones.
> 
> 
> An interesting dimension at play here; how much centralisation is needed
in a
> corporation with extensive work specialisation.
> 
> The following diagram was made for another purpose but illustrates a
scale:
> Typically commonality is deemed as beneficial, but sometimes an ad hoc
> approach is of benefit depending on ones (investment) horizon.
>
<http://www.workem.com/rl/fesa/fragments/modeling/LargeScaleSystems/ls_centr
al
> isation/files/page42-mot_artifact_canonical.jpg>
> 
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