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Re: [ontolog-forum] "Commercialization, Products and Patents"

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From: "Rich Cooper" <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 10:28:15 -0700
Message-id: <20101009172820.83732138D0D@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Hi Pavithra,

 

Yes, there are certain kinds of systems that are best built by large teams (i.e., large command and control systems, or huge business IT systems, where no one single person has a good overview of all the requirements or all the technologies appropriate to their provision), and certain other systems (deeply focused technologies, novelty of technology application, out-of-the-blue game changers, previously unconsidered markets, …) which have a history of being built by very small teams of one or two innovators.  

 

There is an old saying in business about the wisdom of crowds, but it only holds for the first kind of system, the kind that is too complex in its conceptualization to be handled by small teams.  The private entrepreneur/inventor/marketer has a very necessary social function. 

 

But the conclusion I reach is that both kinds of systems are absolutely essential for future growth and progress.  Take either one away, and we would all become poorer very quickly as financial health of the economy deteriorates.  Patents, copyrights, trade practices, and other factors separate the two nicely, and the two are joined by financial transactions of growth, licensing, litigation, mergers and acquisitions.  The system seems to have worked very well for us over the last two hundred years.  

 

It’s a very messy and wasteful system, but it works better than any of the others that have been tried to date. 

 

-Rich

 

Sincerely,

Rich Cooper

EnglishLogicKernel.com

Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com

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From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pavithra
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 10:09 AM
To: '[ontolog-forum] '; doug@xxxxxxxxxx; Rich Cooper
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] "Commercialization, Products and Patents";was RE: [OT] proper subject line, please [was - Re: commercialproducts]

 

Rich,

The patent infringement  is for  Cover Flow, Time Machine, and Spotlight features found in Mac OS X and iOS software used for many of Apple's products.[5] 

But if you look up each one of these products, it ( wikipedia) says that they are developed by individual mac developers . .  Well Gelernter did win the law suite.. Good for him..   ( I also remember reading about him and Theodre Kaczynski  ).  
Looks like luck is on Gelernter's side..

Regards,
Pavithra


--- On Fri, 10/8/10, Rich Cooper <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: Rich Cooper <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: "Commercialization, Products and Patents"; was RE: [ontolog-forum] [OT] proper subject line, please [was - Re: commercial products]
To: "'[ontolog-forum] '" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, doug@xxxxxxxxxx, "'Pavithra Kenjige'" <pavithra_kenjige@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 8:32 PM

Commercialization, Products and Patents might be good single thread heading,
Peter.  If you agree, I would like to point out the recent patent litigation
decision which found in favor of David Gelernter, the computer science
professor who was also into commercializing scientific visions.  Here is the
reference about how he will receive about 10-20 million, bottom line, after
his litigation team and company receive a 200-600 million dollar judgement
that Apple has infringed his patent:

http://www.law.com/jsp/cc/PubArticleCC.jsp?id=1202473037789&src="">
=editorial&bu=IP%20Insider%20Alert&pt=IP%20Insider%20Alert&cn=Corporate%20Co
unsel%27s%20IP%20Insider%20Alert%20-%2010%2F7%2F10&kw=Apple%20Scrambles%20to
%20Limit%20Damage%20After%20Being%20Hit%20with%20Huge%20Patent%20Verdict

His company, Mirror Worlds, and Gelernter as well are wikiped at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Gelernter

Sincerely,
Rich Cooper
EnglishLogicKernel.com
Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
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-----Original Message-----
From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Yim
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 4:48 PM
To: doug@xxxxxxxxxx; Pavithra Kenjige
Cc: [ontolog-forum]
Subject: [ontolog-forum] [OT] proper subject line, please [was - Re:
commercial products]

Pavithra, Doug and anyone similarly inclined ...

... if you are not talking about "commercial products" (which was the
subject Ferenc Kovacs started this thread on), please modify the
subject line of the message to something more appropriate, or merely
start another thread, please.

Suggestion: you might consider to just "forward" the later portion of
this thread which pertains to your "new subject" and then start that
as a "new" post with a new (and more appropriate) subject line. That
way someone who is serious about tracing back to the origins of the
conversation would be able to do it relatively easily.

Thanks.  =ppy
--


On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 3:07 PM, doug  foxvog <doug@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Sat, October 2, 2010 20:21, Pavithra said:
>>
>> If you try those visual thesaurus product,  for each word that I typed
>> there were at least 8 - 24 meanings or ways of usage..
>>
>> That just tells me,  that most of the words in English language is used
in
>> many different ways.
>
> It tells me that English words are not good labels for terms in a general
> ontology.
>
>> ...
>> With so many different ways of referencing the same words, the resolution
>> can get a little tough.  May be that is why they should use URI, more so
>> because URN can be  URI too..
>
> Words are signs.  As you note above, a single word can denote a large
> number of different things.  It would be appropriate for an ontological
> term for a word to indicate in its name that the term designates a word.
> It would probably be appropriate to designate the language of a word
> in the name, as well, so that words that are spelled alike in different
> languages are not considered to be the same word.  E.g., Sin_SpanishWord
> and Sin_EnglishWord.
>
>> URI would give more of a granularity or clarity to the usage of the
>> words..
>
> The usage of words is a different matter.  Usage suggests to me properties
> such as conjugation, declension, tense, restrictions on direct and
indirect
> objects, vowel harmony, gender, and grammatical number.  Rules or
relations
> can be stated to specify such usage.
>
> Another matter is the meaning of words.  Again, relations are useful to
> map individual words to each of their meanings.  Similarly, in specific
> contexts other relations can specify preferred words to use for specific
> meanings.
>
> For example, Cyc does this as follows
>  in Mt: EnglishLanguageMt.
>  (isa Human-TheEnglishWord Word).
>  (denotation Bank-TheEnglishWord CountNoun 1 Bank-FinancialInstitution).
>  (denotation Bank-TheEnglishWord CountNoun 2 RiverBank).
>  (denotation Bank-TheEnglishWord CountNoun 3 ...).
>  (denotation Bank-TheEngishWord Verb 1 HavingABankAccount). ...
>  (denotation Bank-TheEngishWord Verb 4 BankingAFire).
>
> -- doug foxvog
>
>> Pavithra
>
>
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