Hi Ferenc,
You wrote:
The key, imo, is finding a way to make the
re-negotiation of meaning in the SW quick and easy
Could you expound your thoughts on this issue? How can meaning be
renegotiated quickly, and who is doing the negotiation?
It seems that your description has to do with language games which John Sowa has
mentioned before several times, but for which none of us have come up with good
examples to help define, analyze or validate the language game concept.
I am interested in using strongly typed objects and classes to minimize
(i.e. factor) the process of substituting plausible uniquely identified things in
the beginning of search, and bind them to validated objects through the
And/Or/Not tree of an object designation _expression_.
Your thoughts on language games and the concept of capturing and
analyzing them are appreciated.
-Rich
Sincerely,
Rich Cooper
EnglishLogicKernel.com
Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
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You may want to read this
http://coolhaus.de/art-of-controversy/
Regards
F
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Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:03 PM
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I'll jump on this bandwagon, too, concerning the social dimension of
ontologies and ontology development; it's an important and underserved
(imo)
area of exploration. In fact, I'll expand it by pointing out that
human
languages (natural languages as well as artificial languages) are
socially-constructed mechanisms. The meaning of languages is a kind of
"social contract" (apologies to Rousseau) that is continually
being tuned,
corrected, and re-negotiated. Data, schemas, and ontologies are all
languages of which this is true. The key, imo, is finding a way to
make the
re-negotiation of meaning in the SW quick and easy.
Bill
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Andreas
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Subject: [ontolog-forum] Ontology development method
I also agree with this point of view.
Ontologies are a great way to understand such differences in
conceptualization, in particular as they are formal specifications of
conceptualizations. I like the work of Wache on how to build
federations
from such different conceptual views on a problem. The two papers I
normally
recommend are H. Wache, T. Vogele, U. Visser, H. Stuckenschmidt, G.
Schuster, H. Neumann, and S. Hübner, "Ontology-based Integration
of
Information -- a Survey of Existing Approaches," Proceedings of
the
IJCAI-Workshop Ontologies and Information Sharing, Seattle, WA:
2001, pp.
108-117 and H. Wache, "Towards Rule-Based Context Transformation
in
Mediators," in Proceedings of the International Workshop on
Engineering
Federated Information Systems (EFIS), 1999, pp. 107-122.
One of the main advantages of ontological approaches is that they make
such
differences explicit and make them applicable to engineering solutions
as
well. The mediation between viewpoints to avoid conceptual
misalignments of
contributions to an overarching solution is something we see everywhere
popping up, be it service oriented architecture and model based
developments.
Best wishes
Andreas
==================== ;-)
Andreas Tolk, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Old
Dominion University
Norfolk,
VA, USA
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Hi Doug,
I very much agree with your point of view. A good many of the
difficulties
encountered in projects that I have consulted on are rooted in
misunderstanding
and hidden agendas. The ontology is not just a technical tool, it is
also a
social
and organizational tool.
One of the challenges of this approach, however, is the need for
multiple
ontologies and a way to link them semantically. The different segments
of a
large enterprise will develop individual terms and phrases that they
use to
communicate within the segment. In my experience, there is little hope
of
getting all segments to agree on a single set of terms. But, it appears
to
be
often possible to get agreement on a mapping and sharing of concepts,
provided
there is a crisp and unambiguous definition of the concepts.
There is a small amount of technical work in the area of shared
ontologies
and
ontology mapping that I am familiar with. Can you and others on this
forum
Suggest additional sources?
Thanks,
Jim Rhyne
Software Renovation Consulting
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McDavid
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 3:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Ontology development method
Hi Paola --
I'd like to pick up on your point about the social aspects of this
field. Over the years, I have gravitated more over to the social
system aspect of enterprise, and I feel strongly that precision of
language, and understanding of language distinctions, is a critical
element of lubricating the social side of enterprise (better
understanding, disambiguation to everyone's relief, semantic boundary
objects that allow different disciplines and practices to work
together, etc.).
I haven't found much appetite for this kind of discussion on this
particular list. I follow the discussions here quite closely,
because I think ontology has the potential to become an important wave
of future development of business systems. I would probably be making
more than the occasional contribution if there were more interest in
these social aspects. Maybe someone receiving this knows of a
discussion going on elsewhere. I admit I haven't done due diligence
on Ning, LinkedIn, Google Groups, etc.
If there's any interest at all, I could be encouraged to do some
diligence, and possibly set up a discussion group on this topic.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Doug
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 2:27 AM, Paola Di Maio
<paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> John
>
>>
>> I think that *ideology* is the main obstacle that has
strangled
>> innovation in the SW.
>
> what I noticed is that much of the thinking (setting aside the
ideology
> point) is done by computer scientists
> while in my view sw challenges are not striclty CS per se
>
> Information Management dont particularly count as scientist
either,
>
> On top of that 'social 'science is not taken into account
>
> a bit like having a team of only civil engineers, and no
architects/
> planners
>
> while its' true that infrastructure is really really important, we
would
not
> want our cities to be
> run and governed solely by plumbers and electricians
>
>
>
>>
>> If anybody whispers that JSON might be better
>> than RDF, the SW thought police immediately exile them from
the empire.
>
> do you have evidence to that effect?
>
>
>
> But just compare two groups that both started at Stanford around
the
same
> time:
>
> Agreed that comparing google with protege to measure success of
the latter
> does not seem fair
> its a different ball game, isnt it ?:-)
>
>
>
>
> PDM
>
>
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