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Re: [ontolog-forum] XML tags as natural language words

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From: Phil Murray <pcmurray2000@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:09:40 -0500
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Adrian Walker wrote:
> What seems to happen is that the meanings of the words, and of 
> sentences, lie in the relations between sentences a used.
Yes, indeed. (I'm assuming Adrian means "as used" -- which is the whole 
point.)    (01)

John Sowa wrote:    (02)

 > Yorick mentioned Cyc as an example, for which the definitions of the 
 > defined categories have changed over the past 24 years.  Therefore, 
 > categories are no more precise than typical NL word senses.    (03)

That may be true, and we can't catalog all those cases in which that may 
be true. But, I think part of what we stand to gain is that the more 
formal representations are *different* and, perhaps, more useful than 
natural language for different purposes, including representing 
relationships among ideas (for example, among Agent-Action-Object 
triplets and more expressive statements about reality -- perhaps 
"sentences" in Adrian's terms) and finding those representations more 
reliably when the natural language is less than clear or usable for 
those purposes. Certainly would seem to help translation to other 
languages, too.    (04)

The truth/reality may indeed change, making any formal representation of 
that reality effectively invalid over time. But sometimes you just want 
today's formal representation of reality. There's nothing inherently 
wrong with "disposable representations of reality."    (05)

Thanks for pointing out Wilks' paper, John.    (06)

   Phil Murray
   The Center for Semantic Excellence
    Blog: http://economyofmeaning.wordpress.com/
    Web site: http://semanticexcellence.org    (07)

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