RE interoperability between CAD, BIM, GIS I think many processes being
developed for physical space could applied to semantic space at the
same time. (01)
Hopefully in the near future, efficient ontologies accessible to all
the disciplines involved in designing, permitting, engineering,
building, and maintaining property in the real world could be utilized
to create and manage semantic space too. Especially public spaces with
the same repetitious requirements regardless of the facility's design
or purpose. For example, the number of exits in a building = quick
ways out of complex databases. (02)
Where it gets tricky is the equivalent of accessible paths - what is
the standard amount of space required per person or numbers of people
in x, y, z sized groups? What signage and services need to be provided
and "ontologized" regardless of the information being accessed? At
what point does a collection of data need to go through essentially a
permit review prior to being used by the public? (03)
Deborah MacPherson
Accuracy&Aesthetics (04)
On 1/22/07, Joshua Lieberman <jlieberman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The answer to that has to be "yes". There are design implications as well as
> permitting / construction and (particularly) building lifecycle
> implications. Perhaps the fundamental driver for an effective juxtaposition
> of computer-aided design, building information models, and GIS is the
> ability to represent digitally and interoperably a much higher proportion of
> all the different activities around infrastructure development. There may
> never be a substitute for an architect talking through a set of drawings,
> but too often there is little connection between that knowledge and all of
> the other information involved from siting and planning through to eventual
> demolition and redevelopment.
>
> OWS-4 concentrated within this spectrum on timely exchange of information
> about reuse of existing structures in an emergency response. The semantic
> mediation in this case was implicit and (to some extent) ad hoc, but clearly
> will be an important issue going forward in formalizing the connections
> which were made during the testbed.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Josh Lieberman
> OGC architect
>
>
>
> Principal, Traverse Technologies Inc.
>
> mailto:jlieberman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> tel +1 (617) 395-7766
>
> fax: +1 (815) 717-981
>
>
> On Jan 22, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Deborah MacPherson wrote:
>
> Thanks - I meant their area of expertise. In the cross over between
> architecture and GIS as shown on the slide, I wonder whether design
> and function, or constructability issues and costs, are higher
> priority.
>
> Debbie MacPherson
>
> On 1/21/07, creed@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <creed@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Deborah -
>
> The slides I sent were from the OWS-4 demonstration. The construction
> analysis component of the demonstration was designed to show how IFCs
> could be integrated with other sources of geospatial information (such as
> from a GIS) by an analyst to determine as quickly as possible where field
> hospital operations could most effectively be deployed. In the case of
> this demonstration, the analysts were from US Army response units - I am
> not sure of their actual names :-)
>
> Regards
>
> Carl
>
>
> Hi Carl
>
> I will try to participate in OGC and GITA Emerging Technology Summit
> IV, it sounds interesting. On the slides, is the constuction analyst
> typically and architect or engineer doing the design, a contractor
> interested in pricing and constructability issues or a combination? Is
> it one person?
>
> Deborah
>
> On 1/17/07, Carl Reed OGC Account <creed@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> Deborah -
>
> Really interesting. Some more information. The OGC and NIBS/IAI have a
> memorandum of understanding. We (and our respective memberships) have
> been
> collaborating on a variety of issues related to BIM and IFC
> interoperability
> between the Building, CAD, and Geo domains. Considerable progress has
> been
> made at this more fundamental level. The current state of the work was
> demonstrated last month as part of the OGC Web Services 4
> Interoperability
> initiative. I have attached a couple of slides that capture how IFC
> based
> content can be utilized and integrated with other geo content sources
> for
> use in decision support, in this case for emergency services. At this
> point,
> the work is more focused on getting the technical interoperability
> foundation solid with basic semantics being a component of this work.
>
> And check out http://www.gisuser.com/content/view/10618/ .
>
> The above efforts do not explicitly address making recommendations on
> ontologies that span and connect disciplines, but they are all steps in
> that
> direction and various dialogues have been happening regarding semantics
> and
> ontologies for creating a truly virtual as-built or to be built world.
>
> Regards
>
> Carl
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Deborah MacPherson
> To: [ontolog-forum]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 5:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] the case for an open research group
>
> Thanks John and Carl.� I work with architectural specifications and
> typically use MasterFormat 2004, Uniformat II and sometimes OmniClass. I
> believe the Industry Foundation Classes (IFC) is the preferred standard
> used
> in between construction document standards and geographic standards such
> as
> OGC. Building Information Modelling (BIM) aims to interoperate with all
> the
> above some day in the future.
>
> An ontology I am really looking for, or want to develop. is a method of
> mapping between sets of standards using time, location, and data's
> actual
> use. For example, say you had a museum in a standardized geographic
> location
> and the building is modeled in BIM, the real museum is in a country with
> a
> culture, the objects in the museum were made and interpreted by that
> culture
> for one reason or another at different points in time. Could virtual
> places
> also be made to apply real world standards such as OGC and IFC to
> organize
> the collection databases as well? Tell the story of places through their
> buildings and displayed objects using systems probably made for
> different
> purposes. Get the whole process into an easy language, an ontology, so
> curators and others who have data to share can place it where they think
> it
> belongs.
>
> Any recommendations on ontologies made to span across and connect
> disciplines using each areas own sets of standards?
>
>
> On 1/17/07, John A. Bateman <bateman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On 1/15/07, Carl Reed OGC Account < creed@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> The reason I
> ask is that there is a tremendous amount of standards work already
> done
> that
>
> allows simple expression of location. There is also an excellent
> standard
>
> for expressing location and temporal location.
>
> And for those who are looking for
> more than the "simple expression of location",
> I refer newcomers to the pointers in the 'Spatial Ontology Baseline'
> given at:
>
>
>
> http://www.ontospace.uni-bremen.de/twiki/bin/view/Main/ProjectDeliverables
>
> John Bateman
>
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