Dear All, (01)
Here are the material from our 48th OntoIOp team conference call.
Kindly review and advise of any error, omission or edit. (02)
1. the audio archive for the (n.48) OntoIOp teleconference of Wed
2013.12.04 is now online: (03)
* Date: Wednesday 4-Dec-2013
* Meeting time: 1504 ~ 1615 UTC
* length/format/size: 1:09:53 , mp3 , 8.0 MB
* accessible directly as:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntoIOp/Team_confcall/2013-12-04_team-confcall_n.48/OntoIOp-n48_20131204b.mp3 (04)
3. The chat-transcript (lightly edited) is attached below, which is
also available as:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntoIOp/Team_confcall/2013-12-04_team-confcall_n.48/OntoIOp-confcall-n48_chat-transcript_20131204b.txt (05)
4. Our next regular team meetings will be in two weeks, same time -
i.e. Wed 2013.12.18 ... (06)
= OntoIOp team-confcall (n.49) - Wed 2013.12.18 = (07)
* Date: Wed 18-Dec-2013
* start-time: 7:00am PST / 10:00 am EST / 4:00pm CET / 5:00pm SAST /
0:00am [+1] KST / 15:00 GMT/UTC
** ref. world clock -
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=12&day=18&year=2013&hour=7&min=0&sec=0&p1=224
* Duration: 1.0~1.5 Hrs.
* shared-file workspace:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntoIOp/Team_confcall/2013-12-18_team-confcall_n.49/
* chat-workspace: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/ontoiop_20131218 (08)
Please mark your calendars. (09)
Regards. =ppy (010)
on behalf of the session chair
Till Mossakowski
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Chat transcript from room: ontoiop_20131204
2013-12-04 GMT-08:00 [PST]
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[6:53] PeterYim: . (014)
= OntoIOp team-confcall (n.48) - Wed 2013.12.04 = (015)
* Date: Wed 4-Dec-2013
* start-time: 7:00am PST / 10:00 am EST / 4:00pm CET / 5:00pm SAST /
0:00am [+1] KST / 15:00 GMT/UTC
** ref. world clock -
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=12&day=4&year=2013&hour=7&min=0&sec=0&p1=224
* Duration: 1.0~1.5 Hrs. (016)
Dial-in:
* Phone (US): +1 (206) 402-0100 ... when prompted enter Conference ID: 141184#
* Skype: joinconference (i.e. make a skype call to the contact with
skypeID="joinconference")
... when prompted enter Conference ID: 141184# (017)
* in-session chat-workspace:
http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/ontoiop_20131204 (018)
* shared-file workspace:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntoIOp/Team_confcall/2013-12-04_team-confcall_n.48/ (019)
Remarks: (020)
* the session may be recorded for archival purposes. Unless
otherwise documented, participants agrees to this by virtue of
their participation at the session. (021)
* In case we have to mute everyone (due to extraneous noise or echo)
- Mute control: *7 to un-mute ... *6 to mute (022)
* Skype users:
** There has been a lot of issues with skype connections lately
(variously reported by people from different locations.) Therefore, if
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holding up, try using (your favorite POTS or VoIP line, etc.) either
your phone, skype-out or google-voice and call the US dial-in number:
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** if the dialpad button is not shown in the call window you need to
press the"d" hotkey to enable it. (--CLange) (023)
Attendees: TillMossakowski (chair), ChristophLange, ElisaKendall,
FabianNeuhaus, MichaelGruninger, OliverKutz, PeterYim (scribe),
TerryLongstreth. (024)
== Proceedings: == (025)
[7:04] PeterYim: == TillMossakowski starts the meeting (026)
[7:05] PeterYim: Till: we will focus on review and feedback of
Fabian's slides which he will present at the OMG meeting next week (027)
[7:06] OliverKutz: where is the slides? (028)
[7:09] PeterYim: slides from Fabian now also available as:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntoIOp/Team_confcall/2013-12-04_team-confcall_n.48/2013-12-11-OMG-slides_FN_a.pdf (029)
[7:07] TerryLongstreth: Slide 7 - Does -> Do (030)
[7:08] PeterYim: ^^ ERRATA: shared-file workspace:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntoIOp/Team_confcall/2013-12-04_team-confcall_n.48/ (031)
[7:08] TerryLongstreth: Slide 8 - + of (032)
[7:10] anonymous morphed into ElisaKendall (033)
[7:10] TerryLongstreth: Slide 6 - Does -> Do (034)
[7:11] List of members: ElisaKendall, FabianNeuhaus, MichaelGruninger,
OliverKutz, PeterYim, TerryLongstreth, TillMossakowski (035)
[7:13] PeterYim: @Fabian - footer of all slides "OntoIOp ... " (you
have "OntoIOP" now - note capitalization of last character) (036)
[7:16] PeterYim: @Fabian - slide#8.2: again "OntoIOp" (instead of "OntoIOP") (037)
[7:39] PeterYim: @Fabian - "OntoIOp" (instead of "OntoIOP") on slide#2
also (maybe a case-sensitive spell check could discover more) (038)
[7:15] ChristophLange: Slide 5: Babylonian with a Y (039)
[7:15] TillMossakowski: @Fabian: p.8: into a larger ontology (040)
[7:17] TillMossakowski: @Fabian: p.5 instead of a hammer, you might
refer to a swiss army knife - somewhat universal, but still quite
limited (041)
[7:19] TerryLongstreth: Slide 11 - possible to use OntoIOp to pinpoint
interoperability conflicts? (042)
[7:20] TillMossakowski: @Terry: sure, you could for example discover
that the OWL version of DOLCE is inconsistent with the FOL version (043)
[7:21] TerryLongstreth: Slide 12 - expAndable (044)
[7:22] PeterYim: "extensible"? (045)
[7:27] TerryLongstreth: @Peter - in any case, not 'expendable' (046)
[7:22] TillMossakowski: p.12: should we really use the notion "logical
theory" so prominently here? Maybe better start with OSM, and then say
that they are also logical theories. (047)
[7:33] PeterYim: Elisa: possibly include a slide with a summary of all
the mandatory requirements (048)
[7:35] TillMossakowski: Elisa: the LOI deadline might need to be
shifted to May, since OMG members need some time to discuss LOIs
internally (049)
[7:35] TillMossakowski: Tara: the role of repositories vs. registry
needs to be clarified (050)
[7:37] TillMossakowski: perhaps we should move the paragraph about the
registry into the non-mandatory features or even the discussion
section?+ (051)
[7:38] TerryLongstreth: Slide 11 is labeled 'Goals and requirements'
but only shows goals (052)
[7:38] TillMossakowski: Elisa: in 6.3.1, say more explicitly how
submitters should rely on the OMG standards. It is only there for ODM. (053)
[7:41] TillMossakowski: Elisa: use the ad/2013-11-11 OMG document for
a revised version that also considers Elisa's and Tara's feedback (a
clean version, with no comments and changes) (054)
[7:42] TerryLongstreth: Overall - this is a terrific presentation! (055)
[7:42] TillMossakowski: Elisa: we could do one more round until Friday
with Elisa, and send the document to Juergen at the weekend (056)
[7:44] TillMossakowski: by the way: the University of Magdeburg is now
an OMG member (057)
[7:48] ChristophLange: @TillMossakowski: re registry: politically it
might make sense, if a smaller RFP is easier to pass through, but from
a technical perspective I tend to disagree (of course I'm biased).
Having the registry is the way how OntoIOp's extensibility by
arbitrary languages and logics is realized in a technical way. (058)
[7:50] TillMossakowski: but it is clear that we want to have the
registry, whether it is or not part of the mandatory requirements. And
we should not risk issuance of the RFP... (059)
[7:51] TillMossakowski: Elisa: not all OMG people will understand the
importance of a model-theoretic semantics, so this needs to be
explained within a couple of sentences (060)
[7:52] TillMossakowski: Elisa: if you are not very clear about what
you want in the RFP, you will get all kinds of things in the
submissions (061)
[7:53] TillMossakowski: Elisa: at OMG, people think they know what a
model-theoretic semantics is, but only few understand it really (062)
[7:55] ChristophLange: @TillMossakowski: Thanks for clarifying; with
this I'm happy to accept a non-mandatory registry. But if you move it,
I'd be interested in proof-reading once more, just to make sure that
some of the "spirit" of the registry (Web-scalability, unique
identifiers, self-describing logics) remains mandatory. (063)
[7:59] TillMossakowski: Elisa: DTV should become a bullet in 6.3.1+ (064)
[8:01] TillMossakowski: Elisa: RFP needs polishing at various places.
E.g. towards the end of the first use case, there is a long list of
bullets. (065)
[8:02] ChristophLange: @TillMossakowski: In case there is anything
about the registry that would make sense discussing I would be
available after this call for a few minutes. (066)
[8:04] TillMossakowski: LOI deadline should be May 19, 2014 (067)
[8:05] TillMossakowski: We need at least one platform member submitting the spec (068)
[8:12] PeterYim: Till: next meeting (n.49) - Wed 2013.12.18 - (same
time) 7:00am PST / 10:00 am EST / 4:00pm CET / 5:00pm SAST / 0:00am
[+1] KST / 15:00 GMT/UTC (069)
[8:15] TerryLongstreth: Bye all (070)
[8:15] PeterYim: -- session ended: 5:15pm CET -- (071)
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