Great message, Krishna! (01)
May I suggest you re-post this (in entirety) to the
"EarthScienceOntolog Mini-series Planning"
<mini-series-org@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> mailing list, so that your message
can reach all members of the mini-series organizing team, and that
this conversation can get archived. Others on the organizing committee
will probably have other input too. (02)
Thanks & regards. =ppy
-- (03)
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Krishna Sinha <pitlab@xxxxxx> wrote:
> Dear Colleagues,
> I am back from our Annual Geological Society meeting. As usual it was good
> to see good science being done by thousands of geoscientists, and it is
> important for us to support their goals (share,access, discover and
> integrate heterogeneous data through ontologies and semantics).There is
> little time and interest amongst geoscientists to learn a new discipline
> e.g. semantics . Therefore, I think we should consider the last of the
> planned sessions to showcase how ontologies and semantics will work in the
> background (a use case where this was accomplished would be useful; Kai Lin
> of San Diego Super Computer Center did just that by showing integration of
> rock types, age and geologic maps), as well as the use of ontology practises
> in supporting some aspects of social challenges related to trust and data
> sharing . As a member of EarthCube, I believe that we can impact the NSF
> initiative through sharing with all involved, the use of semantics as a glue
> for the entire infrastructure. How do we accomplish that could be a topic
> of discussion? Good use cases would help here.
> I will be inviting both Barbara Ransom and Cliff Jacobs this coming Monday
> to say something about their vision of EC at the last meeting. If there are
> any topics that we wish for them to say something about , please let me know
> soon.
> I like the idea of a short telecon to get the structure organized as I will
> be on the road from Nov 26 through Dec. 4
> Regards
> Krishna (04)
> At 06:29 PM 11/8/2012, Peter Yim wrote:
>
> Nancy & Mike,
>
> I believe the organizing committee made "Tutorial" the last item on
> this 5-session agenda (ref.
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?EarthScienceOntolog#nid3CWF ),
> because it is a natural progression - we finally get a chance to share
> with Earth Scientists what they might do next, hands-on, to embrace
> ontology and semantic technologies.
>
> Just my personal take ... 1.5 hours is probably not the right kind of
> time-window to 'really' run a tutorial to show people how things
> can/should be done. Maybe you could consider putting the potential
> audience into several general categories, and show what each group
> could now do next: what can they do in the short and medium term
> future, where are the resources that would support that,
> examples/implementation they could reference, etc. etc. ( ... please
> treat this as a suggestion.)
>
> That said, the 1.5-hour session time is totally your call. I am
> assuming we lose 10 to 15 minutes on logistics, as usual ... and then
> you carve out the last 15~20 minutes of the session for Krishna and
> Leo, and Krishna's invited NSF leadership.
>
> Regards. =ppy
> -- (05)
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Obrst, Leo J. <lobrst@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Sure, I have many tutorials, ranging from currently 1 hr - 24 hrs. I could
>> try to craft a much shorter tutorial that is focused on earth science and
>> our mini-series, if that would be useful. Again, it should probably be joint
>> with Krishna, just to kind of bracket the whole mini-series and what we
>> attempted to accomplish here.
>>
>> I think all your questions/issues are important and we jointly should
>> address them:
>> - Implementations of ontologies for Earth Science
>> - An open use case for which there is not yet a solution: can people think
>> about what such a case is? Then we can address it.
>> - Next steps
>> - Propose an NSF workshop or become part of EarthCube's workshop on its
>> schedule. If the latter, I propose we join this:
>> "Engaging the Critical Zone Community to Bridge Long Tail Science with
>> Big Data
>>
>> Date: January 21-23, 2013
>> Location: University of Delaware
>> Website:
>> http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward.do?AwardNumber=1252238
>> Organizer: Anthony Aufdenkampe, Christopher Duffy, and Gregory Tucker;
>> Stroud Water Research Center"
>>
>> Which is at:
>> http://earthcube.ning.com/page/earthcube-domain-workshops-schedule .
>>
>> But I'm open.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Leo (06)
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Nancy Wiegand [ mailto:wiegand@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 5:11 PM
>>>To: Obrst, Leo J.
>>>Cc: Peter Yim; Mike Dean; James W. Wilson; Krishna Sinha; Gary Berg-Cross;
>>>wiegand@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: Re: next earth science mini-series
>>>
>>>So far, we only have Dave's 15 min. or so talk for a 2 hour session.
>>>Would the mini-series summary be only 10 min. or could it take a lot
>>>longer and be more comprehensive?
>>> I personally don't have any expectation on the topics for this last
>>>session. Maybe we should expand the scope beyond tutorials, for which we
>>>don't have much. Or, Leo was there a tutorial that you had?
>>> Do we have a list of actual implementations using
>>>ontologies/semantics for Earth Science projects that we could summarize?
>>> Do we have at least one use case that does not yet have a solution
>>>for which we could present ideas as to how to approach solving it?
>>> Can we say what our next steps are, as the Semantics group for
>>>EarthCube, as to what we want to do next?
>>> Should we propose a workshop to NSF or ask to be part of the
>>>upcoming workshops listed at:
>>> http://earthcube.ning.com/page/earthcube-domain-workshops-schedule ?
>>> Nancy
>>>
>>>On 11/8/2012 3:57 PM, Obrst, Leo J. wrote:
>>>> Sorry, Nancy, I've been out of the loop for the past 2 weeks: 2
>>>> conferences
>>>and a hurricane.
>>>>
>>>> I see that Krishna replied, and agree with him that we'd like to jointly
>>>provide a summary from our perspective on the mini-series. How much time
>>>should this encompass, 10 minutes or so, or more? Also is this your
>>>expectation, or do you want any additional topics addressed?
>>>>
>>>> Krishna, let's plan on collaborating on a set of joint slides off-line
>>>> for Dec.
>>>13's presentation.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Leo (07)
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Nancy Wiegand [ mailto:wiegand@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 4:49 PM
>>>>> To: Peter Yim
>>>>> Cc: Mike Dean; James W. Wilson; Krishna Sinha; Obrst, Leo J.;
>>>>> wiegand@xxxxxxxxxxx; Gary Berg-Cross
>>>>> Subject: Re: next earth science mini-series
>>>>>
>>>>> For the Dec. 13th from 12:30 - 2:30 Eastern time session:
>>>>> I haven't heard back from Leo or James Wilson. James can you say
>>>>> something at the session about all the materials you collected? Leo?
>>>>> So far, we have Dave Kolas talking about GeoSPARQL.
>>>>> Here is what Krishna said, and below is from Peter (see my
>>>>> comments). Krishna will invite NSF people to the call.
>>>>>
>>>>> "I thought a short review of what the sessions have done to bridge our
>>>>> communities and sciences. I still believe that some of the social
>>>>> aspects related to developing semantic capabilities for the earth
>>>>> sciences is important. I would like to bring that forward again.
>>>>> Krishna"
>>>>>
>>>>> Who is going to review the sessions, etc.? (08)
>>>>> On 11/1/2012 2:48 PM, Peter Yim wrote:
>>>>>> Nancy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As discussed at the organizing committee meeting, the idea was, for
>>>>>> that last segment in the session, to have this "ceremonial" wrap-up of
>>>>>> the entire EarthScienceOntolog mini-series, and discuss (especially
>>>>>> from the NSF folks) where we go from here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards. =ppy
>>>>>> --
>>>>> I'm not sure what our conclusions are, nor what NSF's might be. We
>>>would
>>>>> need some discussion ahead of time among ourselves, open to the entire
>>>>> group, starting now, right? What do we want NSF to think?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Nancy
>>
>
> A.Krishna Sinha
>
>
> Professor of Geology
> 4044 Derring Hall
> Virginia Tech
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>
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> (09)
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