I wouldn't know who to suggest.
If we have troubles finding facilitators, perhaps we should rethink the topic...
Cheers
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On 11 Oct 2010, at 14:57, Obrst, Leo J. wrote: (02)
> Ok, not Fabian and Antony. Others?
>
> Thanks,
> Leo
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: iaoa-education-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:iaoa-education-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Galton, Antony
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 4:16 AM
> To: IAOA Education Committee
> Cc: Werner Kuhn
> Subject: Re: [iaoa-education] [iaoa-council] proposal about next steps: IAOA
>Summer School 2011
>
> I have the same concern - I liked the idea of environmental ontology as a
>topic, but certainly cannot claim any expertise in it myself. I suggested
>Brandon because I know he has worked on it. I guess the role of "facilitator"
>needs clarifying.
> Antony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: iaoa-education-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:iaoa-education-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Fabian Neuhaus
> Sent: 11 October 2010 06:45
> To: IAOA Education Committee
> Cc: Werner Kuhn
> Subject: Re: [iaoa-education] [iaoa-council] proposal about next steps: IAOA
>Summer School 2011
>
> Werner,
>
> I am support prep course + Vespucci style
>
> Concerning the topic: What is the scope of "environmental ontology"?
> On environmentalontology.org they define it as "an ontology that
> supports the annotation of the environment of any organism or
> biological sample" -- which would include all of geology and a healthy
> chunk of biology. That seems pretty big to me.
>
> Reading your description of the Vespucci style events, it seems to me
> essential that the facilitators present on (and have expertise in)
> roughly the same subject. Because if the facilitators are working on
> unconnected or loosely connected subject areas, the quality of the
> discussion would not be on the desired level. Further, it would be an
> undue burden on the other participants to prepare themselves to
> discuss as many unconnected topics as there are facilitators. Do we
> know enough people who specialize in the same area of environmental
> ontology and who would be willing to be facilitators?
>
> What would be the ideal number of facilitators in your experience?
>
> Best
> Fabian
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2010, at 9:13 AM, Galton, Antony wrote:
>
>> It's a good topic. I think it would be a good idea to involve
>> Brandon Bennett who has done some good work in this area (e.g., his
>> paper at FOIS2010).
>> Antony
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Werner Kuhn [mailto:werner.kuhn@xxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: 05 October 2010 13:43
>> To: Werner Kuhn
>> Cc: Obrst, Leo J.; Nicola Guarino; iaoa-education@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
>> Galton, Antony; Stefano Borgo; Fabian Neuhaus; Robert Hoehndorf
>(leechuck@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> ); John Bateman
>> Subject: Re: [iaoa-council] proposal about next steps: IAOA Summer
>> School 2011
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> in the absence of feedback so far, let me propose the following:
>>
>> - topic: Environmental Ontology
>> - Monday and Tuesday: prep course, Wednesday to Saturday: regular
>> Vespucci style
>> - facilitators: to be nominated until Oct 10
>> - timing: a week in July, to be agreed with facilitators and sites.
>>
>> Please object to anything you do not like or want to discuss
>> further. Otherwise, please nominate facilitators in the next few
>> days.
>>
>> Thank you all for moving this forward!
>> Werner
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 26.09.2010, at 11:39, Werner Kuhn <kuhn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Leo,
>>>
>>> we have always been in the Florence area, though never stayed in the
>>> city, but in Fiesole (the Etruscan town in the hills toward Bologna,
>>> overlooking Florence and the Arno valley, former home of Roberto
>>> Casati!). Fiesole works very well for accommodation, dinners, hanging
>>> out in the piazza etc., we have good relations with restaurants and
>>> hotels.
>>>
>>> For course locations, we have recently been twice at Villa La Pietra,
>>> at the outskirts of Florence: http://www.nyu.edu/lapietra/. It is an
>>> ideal and very impressive location for a summer school, owned by New
>>> York University.
>>>
>>> Before, we were most often at Fattoria Montebeni, a beautiful olive
>>> oil farm from the family of our co-founder Cristina Capineri's
>>> husband, just behind Fiesole in the hills. Most pictures on our web
>>> site are from there. It is also a fantastic location, but may be a
>>> bit
>>> small for us next year (limited to about 30 people).
>>>
>>> I am also exploring another location in the area, a convent, but we
>>> are not sure yet whether the EC has it on its list of "fundable"
>>> places.
>>>
>>> best,
>>> werner
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Obrst, Leo J. <lobrst@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Werner,
>>>>
>>>> Where is the Vespucci summer school actually held? Does it vary?
>>>> It looks like it has taken place at or near Firenze in recent years.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Leo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: werner.kuhn@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:werner.kuhn@xxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> Behalf Of Werner Kuhn
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 11:20 AM
>>>> To: Nicola Guarino
>>>> Cc: iaoa-education@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Galton, Antony; Stefano
>>>> Borgo; Fabian Neuhaus; Robert Hoehndorf (leechuck@xxxxxxxxxxx);
>>>> Obrst, Leo J.; John Bateman
>>>> Subject: Re: [iaoa-council] proposal about next steps: IAOA Summer
>>>> School 2011
>>>>
>>>> Dear all again,
>>>>
>>>> I promised to give you some flavor of typical Vespucci weeks. At the
>>>> web site, there is a section on our aims and scope
>>>> (http://vespucci.org/aim-and-scope) that should give you some ideas.
>>>> You can also click on the link at the bottom of that page ("Find out
>>>> more about the Vespucci style") to read our "slow food for thought"
>>>> analogy and, in fact, describing our first Ontology week (in 2007,
>>>> with Nicola Guarino) as a prime example of the style.
>>>>
>>>> To summarize some of the elements of Vespucci style (which are
>>>> applied
>>>> with quite some variety each year):
>>>>
>>>> - get the best scientists on the topic as "facilitators" and let
>>>> them
>>>> shape the program
>>>> - suggest to them a limit of 5 slides for a 90 minute session, to
>>>> emphasize discussion and focus on essential ideas rather than
>>>> "stuff"
>>>> (which can be read in books)
>>>> - give participants a list of readings to prepare themselves, as
>>>> well
>>>> as opportunities to present very briefly (5 minutes) on a paper they
>>>> liked
>>>> - spend most afternoons on group work, which has proven to provide a
>>>> more intense learning experience (from each other as well as from
>>>> facilitators, including multi-cultural skills)
>>>> - fit in 1-2 skill development sessions (e.g., on abstract writing)
>>>> - run "full immersion" weeks, but with enough time for
>>>> participants to
>>>> talk to peers and seniors
>>>> - make participants feel at ease, in beautiful locations and with
>>>> excellent (healthy) food.
>>>>
>>>> Having said all this, the Vespucci Initiative evolves all the time
>>>> and
>>>> is happy to explore new ideas, as long as they do not lead to one-
>>>> way
>>>> learning and passive, intimidated participants.
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>> Werner
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Werner Kuhn <kuhn@uni-
>>>> muenster.de> wrote:
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I apologize for the delay and am now back in Muenster, ready to
>>>>> move
>>>>> the summer school forward. Thanks to everybody for their support
>>>>> of a
>>>>> joint IAOA-Vespucci event. I hope we can quickly settle the most
>>>>> important issues and then proceed to advertise.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am addressing this message to the iaoa-education mailing list
>>>>> plus
>>>>> the individuals who participated in the discussions so far. Those
>>>>> who
>>>>> would like to be on the subcommittee organizing the summer school,
>>>>> please let me know. Organizational emails will then be limited to
>>>>> this
>>>>> subcommittee. I took the liberty to add John Bateman to the list,
>>>>> who
>>>>> has previously expressed interest.
>>>>>
>>>>> The first issue to resolve is the following: The European
>>>>> Commission
>>>>> (through its Joint Research Center) has supported Vespucci summer
>>>>> institutes for many years and is ready to do so again in 2011.
>>>>> Essentially, they pay for the site, which may or may not include
>>>>> lunches (an issue to be discussed later). This is a great deal,
>>>>> though
>>>>> there are two strings attached:
>>>>> 1. a lengthy process to pick the site (in Tuscany, as proposed),
>>>>> requiring bids from multiple competitors
>>>>> 2. a preference for a topic that links to JRC research (which is
>>>>> mainly targeting INSPIRE, the European infrastructure for spatial
>>>>> information).
>>>>>
>>>>> With (1), we have nothing to do, except to tell them our preferred
>>>>> dates. Thus, I suggest we first and foremost discuss the length and
>>>>> timing of the school.
>>>>>
>>>>> With (2), we may not be too constrained after all, as long as we
>>>>> find
>>>>> a twist to the topic that is relevant to environmental information.
>>>>> This could simply be "Environmental Ontology" (a topic that is
>>>>> dear to
>>>>> non-geographic communities as well, for example biologists or
>>>>> physicists). Or it could be "Process Ontology" or anything else.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, we can opt out of JRC support, though they have the
>>>>> money
>>>>> in their budget already. If we go for it, my questions to you all
>>>>> are:
>>>>>
>>>>> ad 1: what weeks should be avoided in the previously discussed
>>>>> June-July window? On my list are, so far:
>>>>> - June 6-11 (the other Vespucci week in 2011, on Volunteered
>>>>> Geographic Information)
>>>>> - June 13-18 (the week following Whitsunday, also the week of the
>>>>> Geoinformatics conference at Muenster)
>>>>> - June 27 - July 2nd (the planned dates for the EC INSPIRE
>>>>> conference)
>>>>>
>>>>> ad 2: would "environmental" or "process" be acceptable modifiers
>>>>> for
>>>>> ontology? Are there better ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally, regarding length, I have taken note of (and share) the
>>>>> concerns against 2 full weeks, but also of the option to add 2 or 3
>>>>> days of basics before a more in-depth week. We have often run 8-9
>>>>> day
>>>>> events, where the weekend before a regular Vespucci institute was a
>>>>> "specialist meeting" on the topic (that is, even more in depth). It
>>>>> would be an interesting idea to use the weekend for establishing
>>>>> basics instead. So, my third question is whether this is
>>>>> desirable or
>>>>> whether we go only Sunday night to Saturday morning.
>>>>>
>>>>> So much for today. I still owe you some background on Vespucci
>>>>> and its
>>>>> style, which I will provide in a separate mail.
>>>>>
>>>>> kind regards
>>>>> Werner
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Nicola Guarino <guarino@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that Leo's list of steps is pretty good. What's
>>>>>> important now is to start working, aiming at having a concrete
>>>>>> draft proposal by mid October, I would say. I think we should
>>>>>> plan for an early announcement to the world in early November,
>>>>>> followed by an official call for participation around the end of
>>>>>> January. Let's put the approval of this plan in today's agenda,
>>>>>> especially concerning:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - the school's name: IAOA Summer School in Applied Ontology
>>>>>> - the organizational chair: Werner Kuhn
>>>>>> - the program chairs: Fabian Neuhaus and Antony Galton
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nicola
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14 Sep 2010, at 23:08, Obrst, Leo J. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Antony,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think our window is just June-July 2011, at this point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Leo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Galton, Antony [mailto:A.P.Galton@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 3:23 PM
>>>>>>> To: Obrst, Leo J.; IAOA Executive Council; Stefano Borgo
>>>>>>> Cc: Fabian Neuhaus; Robert Hoehndorf (leechuck@xxxxxxxxxxx);
>>>>>>> Antony Galton (apgalton@xxxxxxxx); Werner Kuhn
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: proposal about next steps: IAOA Summer School 2011
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do we have dates for the summer school yet, or is this still to
>>>>>>> be decided?
>>>>>>> Antony
>>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>>> From: Obrst, Leo J. [lobrst@xxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>>> Sent: 14 September 2010 19:58
>>>>>>> To: IAOA Executive Council; Stefano Borgo
>>>>>>> Cc: Fabian Neuhaus; Robert Hoehndorf (leechuck@xxxxxxxxxxx);
>>>>>>> Antony Galton (apgalton@xxxxxxxx); Werner Kuhn
>>>>>>> Subject: proposal about next steps: IAOA Summer School 2011
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think this is a good idea too, i.e., first 2 days of intro
>>>>>>> tutorials, second 3 days of advanced Vespucci-style courses. Do
>>>>>>> we think that relative beginners who take the tutorials will
>>>>>>> have enough of a background for the final 3 days? Perhaps this
>>>>>>> is not so important.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Werner, are there any issues with making this a 2-part
>>>>>>> structure, with part 1 optional? It means that there will two
>>>>>>> different costs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For next steps, I would suggest that we:
>>>>>>> 1) Establish that the initial IAOA Summer School in Applied
>>>>>>> Ontology (or some other name -- suggestions?) will be at the
>>>>>>> Vespucci location in 2011, and invite participation from the
>>>>>>> membership in the organization/content of the summer school.
>>>>>>> 2) Compose a description about IAOA summer schools, i.e., that
>>>>>>> they occur every 2 years, alternate with FOIS, and will be
>>>>>>> "traveling" events, meaning that they will be hosted at
>>>>>>> different locations across the world.
>>>>>>> 3) Establish Werner as overall Summer School 2011
>>>>>>> Organizational Chair (this is in addition to his more general
>>>>>>> role as Summer School sub-committee chair of the Education
>>>>>>> Committee). First steps probably will be to investigate further
>>>>>>> Vespucci requirements, set dates, and invite others to help
>>>>>>> organize. But Werner will provide guidance on these.
>>>>>>> 4) Establish a Summer School 2011 Content Chair, possibly with
>>>>>>> Fabian and Antony as co-Chairs. First step probably will be to
>>>>>>> develop an initial list of content (both introductory and
>>>>>>> advanced), perhaps using the Ontology Summit 2010 as a basis.
>>>>>>> But Fabian, Antony, and Werner will provide guidance on this.
>>>>>>> 5) Establish a dedicated mailing list for the summer school,
>>>>>>> and perhaps establish periodic telecons -- dependent on the
>>>>>>> view of the organizational chair Werner, who will organize these.
>>>>>>> 6) Once these details are established, develop a brief
>>>>>>> description/announcement about the summer school, and
>>>>>>> disseminate it to the IAOA and other email lists. This is
>>>>>>> probably decided and best done by the Summer School 2011
>>>>>>> chairs, in collaboration with the IAOA EC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, initially, Stefano and I will participate as additional
>>>>>>> members of the Summer School 2011 committee. Also I invite
>>>>>>> others to participate. Once we settle on (1-5), we should open
>>>>>>> participation up to the membership, as soon as possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does this proposal sound reasonable to you all?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Leo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _____________________________________________
>>>>>>> Dr. Leo Obrst The MITRE Corporation, Information Semantics
>>>>>>> lobrst@xxxxxxxxx Information Discovery & Understanding,
>>>>>>> Command & Control Center
>>>>>>> Voice: 703-983-6770 7515 Colshire Drive, M/S H305
>>>>>>> Fax: 703-983-1379 McLean, VA 22102-7508, USA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: iaoa-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:iaoa-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> ] On Behalf Of Galton, Antony
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 5:29 AM
>>>>>>> To: Stefano Borgo; IAOA Executive Council
>>>>>>> Cc: Fabian Neuhaus; Robert Hoehndorf (leechuck@xxxxxxxxxxx);
>>>>>>> Antony Galton (apgalton@xxxxxxxx); Werner Kuhn
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [iaoa-council] Welcome, IAOA Education Committee
>>>>>>> chairs, and organization of IAOA Summer School 2011
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I quite like that idea.
>>>>>>> Antony
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Stefano Borgo [mailto:borgo@xxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>>> Sent: 08 September 2010 10:16
>>>>>>> To: IAOA Executive Council
>>>>>>> Cc: Fabian Neuhaus; Werner Kuhn; Antony Galton
>>>>>>> (apgalton@xxxxxxxx); Robert Hoehndorf (leechuck@xxxxxxxxxxx)
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [iaoa-council] Welcome, IAOA Education Committee
>>>>>>> chairs, and organization of IAOA Summer School 2011
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think about having the first 2 days for real
>>>>>>> beginners (intro to logic, definition of ontology, the notion
>>>>>>> of class, property, inheritance, instance-of, parthood, typical
>>>>>>> use cases and other initial stuff) and the real Vespucci style
>>>>>>> from the 3rd day?
>>>>>>> Students may join the school from the first day or from the
>>>>>>> third day depending on their knowledge/interest...
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Werner Kuhn
>>>>> Institute for Geoinformatics
>>>>> University of Muenster
>>>>> Weselerstr. 253
>>>>> D-48151 Muenster
>>>>> kuhn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> http://ifgi.uni-muenster.de/~kuhn
>>>>> Vespucci Summer Institutes: http://www.vespucci.org
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Werner Kuhn
>>>> Institute for Geoinformatics
>>>> University of Muenster
>>>> Weselerstr. 253
>>>> D-48151 Muenster
>>>> kuhn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> http://ifgi.uni-muenster.de/~kuhn
>>>> Vespucci Summer Institutes: http://www.vespucci.org
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Werner Kuhn
>>> Institute for Geoinformatics
>>> University of Muenster
>>> Weselerstr. 253
>>> D-48151 Muenster
>>> kuhn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> http://ifgi.uni-muenster.de/~kuhn
>>> Vespucci Summer Institutes: http://www.vespucci.org
>>
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