UpperOntologySummit - Organizing Committee Conference Call 2005-12-15 (ILZ)
Call Details (IM0)
- Date: Thursday, Dec. 15, 2005 (IM1)
- Start Time: 12:45 PM PST / 3:45 PM EST / 20:45 UTC World Clock (IM2)
- Expected Call Duration: 1 hour (IM3)
- Dial-in Number: 1-702-851-3330 (Las Vegas, Nevada) (IM4)
- Participant Access Code: "686564#" (IM5)
Attendees (IM6)
- Attended: (IM7)
- Expecting: (IM8)
Agenda (items to be discussed) Ideas (IMA)
- anyone else for this organizing committee (INL)
- note: DagobertSoergel joined - 2005.12.12 (INM)
- who will be the co-organizers (co-sponsors) (IMR)
- how many people will be presenting (must-haves vs. good-to-have; ... constraints) (IMS)
- PPY: short, medium and long term objectives (INN)
- PPY: our approach: "confined and focused" vs. "broad and inclusive" (INO)
- PPY: how do we involve all these different people? (INP)
- Pat & Peter: funding and fundraising (INQ)
- do we break (after this call) until the New Year (IMX)
Agenda & Proceedings (IMB)
1) Welcome & confirmation of agenda (IMC)
- Leo took the chair and welcomed everyone. (IMD)
2) Appointment of secretary to take minutes (IME)
- Kurt was roped into taking minutes (IMF)
3) Roll-call of participants - see above (IMG)
4) Communications, logistics, & work protocols issues - more discussion (IMH)
- Skipped over to get to item 5. (IPI)
5) Follow-up from previous meetings (IMI)
- finalize the roster of this organizing committee [PatCassidy / PeterYim] (IMT)
- Pat has invited Dagobert who confirmed and joined on 2005.12.12 (IQI)
- Pat hasn't called Eric Peterson, yet, pending ouor discussion. (IPJ)
- Discussion of size of organizing committee. Add Eric, as he had previously indicated interest in COSMO work. Hasn't yet been engaged in email dialogue (doesn't monitor Ontolog). Call for participation hasn't resulted in responses. Have 3 Ontolog Co-convenors, the 3 key SICOP / ONTAC / COSMO people, and Steve Ray representing NIST and venue host (good match against original event conevner set). Bill Anderson who also indicated interest in the Upper Ontology discussion, was asked, but has not responded so far. Suggest tabling expansion of organizing committee and asking Eric and Bill to participate. (IPK)
- Brand suggests adding John Walker. (IPL)
- there was a motion to freeze the size of the organizing committee (staying "confined and focused") at current membership (of 7 members), seconded, and adopted. (IPM)
- draft abstract of the event [SteveRay] (IMU)
- Need to defer this agenda item, as Steve not on call. (IPN)
- mailing lists [PeterYim] (IMV)
- [uos-org] list <uos-org@interop.cim3.net> created, hosted by NIST-MSID on their INTEROP-cwe (IPE)
- PPY: I'll be putting in password protection, and then transfer all (previous) relevant disucussion threads over to the archives as well. (--done:ppy/2005.12.15-20:20 PST) (IQO)
- PPY: If there is anything anyone wants to 'not transfer over', please let me know within the next day or two. (IPF)
- List created, but password protection not yet implemented, and previous messages to be moved over. Notify Peter if any part of the old dialogue shouldn't be made public. (IPO)
- Wiki will be open. Will also create an open list for panelists and participants (pre- and post-meeting discussions) - Peter hopes to be funded for this (otherwise, will offer workspace on Ontolog to do it.) (IPQ)
- invitation to NicolaGuarino (both to speak at Ontolog Forum, and to support this Event) [LeoObrst] (IMW)
- Guarino agreed - awaiting his choice of Feb. 2, Feb. 23 or Jan. 26, 2006 (--Thanks, Leo) (IPG)
- Need to solidify the date for Ontolog presentation. (IPR)
- Nicola also confirmed his participation in the UOS (also interested in travel funding, which Leo indicated that we are already working on that.) (IPS)
- Guarino agreed - awaiting his choice of Feb. 2, Feb. 23 or Jan. 26, 2006 (--Thanks, Leo) (IPG)
6) UOS Project Home page is now up (awaiting content): (IMK)
- see: UpperOntologySummit (IPH)
- skelton there already, content to be filled in. (IPT)
7) New issues and discussions (IMJ)
- anyone else for this organizing committee (INL)
- note: DagobertSoergel joined - 2005.12.12 (INM)
- Discussed and resolved (IPU)
- who will be the co-organizers (people who support this initiative and contribute contribute IPR & expertise and ) & co-sponsors (people who support this intiative by funding the work that this initiative is about) (IMR)
- Brand and Leo to discuss with NCOR (as a potential co-organizer) (IPV)
- Pick up this topic, again after discussing panelists (IPW)
- GSA to put more money into reference model ontology (FEA-RMO). Consider them as an organizer and endorce joint communica. They consider FEA-RMO to be an upper ontology. (IPX)
- Distinction between co-organizers and co-sponsors needs to be clarified. Co-sponsors to provide funding. (IPY)
- Consider broadening from upper ontologies to other levels? Don't want to redefine again. A common upper ontolog subset should help mid-level and domain ontologies. Could define in terms of upper and middle ontologies. Or upper and super-domain ontologies. (IPZ)
- Want to draw an event that will get these technical issues cleared out by mid-morning. (IQ0)
- Consider drafting a short paragraph to shop to key thought leaders to gauge understanding and support (and solicit feedback). (IQ1)
- Motion: Focus is upper and super-domian ontologies (IQ2)
- Need to push folks to understand that their ontology (wherever the root is) has to be anchored to a sensible meaning. Can be compatible with an upper ontology at the conceptual, not logical, level. (IQ3)
- Have to deal with this at a technical level and real-world implemetnation level. Tried upper ontology with Brailer's people, but didn't adopt it directly (but now a future need under data architecture). Second example with Federal Enerprise Architecture. OMB didn't want to adopt ontology. Now FEA-RMO has come in via reference model maintenance. Can't lead with ontology. Educational issue. Ontology has to come in another way. (IQ4)
- Need technical solution first to present it ahead of the sociological solution. (IQ5)
- Even with para, unlikley to drive consensus in 1/2 day. Will need numerous discussions leading to summit. (IQ6)
- Need to articulate goals for session. Not just a technical issue, but a range of issues. Agreements among upper ontology folks and buy-in by potential consumers that don't currently perceive value of upper ontologies. (IQ7)
- Can it be a summit with this expanded definition? (IQ8)
- how many people will be presenting (must-haves vs. good-to-have; ... constraints) (IMS)
- need to defer this agenda item, as there wasn't enough time to cover this. (IQJ)
- PPY: short, medium and long term objectives (INN)
- briefly discussed - see above (IQC)
- PPY: our approach: "confined and focused" vs. "broad and inclusive" (INO)
- briefly discussed - see above (IQD)
- PPY: how do we involve all the different people? (INP)
- need to defer this agenda item, as there wasn't enough time to cover this. (IQE)
- Pat & Peter: funding and fundraising (INQ)
- need to defer this agenda item, as there wasn't enough time to cover this. (IQF)
8) do we break (after this call) until the New Year (IML)
9) Other business (IMM)
10) Next meeting date and adjournment (IMN)
- Peter back on 2006.01.06. Meet on 01.12? (IQA)
- Pat also to draft 1/2 page and communications/negotiations scenario (IQB)
- call adjourned 13:57 pm PST / 16:57 pm EST (IMO)
- next call will be on Thu 2006.01.12 starting at 12:45 pm PST / 3:45pm EST (right after the Ontolog session (which should end around 12:30pm PST / 3:30pm EST) (IMP)
-- minutes captured in real time on this wiki by KurtConrad / 2005.12.15-13:56 pm (IMQ)