Conference Call 2003-10-02

UBL-Ontology Project Conference Call - Thu 2003-10-02    (7Q7)

Conference Call Details    (7Q8)

• Subject: [UblOntology] project conference call Thu 2003-10-02    (7Q9)
• Comments/Agenda:    (7QA)
  • Agenda Comments: ... build rapport; ... sync up; ... distribute, assign or arbitrate virtual ownership of tasks; ... and use it to deal with emergencies. ... plus, member suggested agenda items.    (7QB)
  • Please post your suggested agenda items if you would like to see anything put onto the agenda    (7QC)
  • please post or upload any material to be shared to the list, to the wiki or by ftp upload prior to the meeting    (7QD)
  • VNC session will be started 5 minutes before the call at: http://vnc2.cim3.net:5800/    (7QE)
    • view-only password: "ontolog"    (7QF)
    • view-and-control pw: to be supplied during session as needed    (7QG)
  • During the call, please browse the wiki page at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Conference_Call_2003-10-02    (7QH)
• Date: Thursday, Oct. 2, 2003    (7QI)
• Start Time: 10:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time    (7QJ)
• End Time: 11:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time    (7QK)
• Dial-in Number: 1-702-851-3330 (Las Vegas, Nevada)    (7QL)
• Participant Access Code: "031002#"    (7QM)

Attendees    (7QN)

• Attended:    (7QO)
  • PeterYim    (7QP)
  • AdamPease    (7QQ)
  • KurtConrad    (7QR)
  • BobSmith    (7QS)
  • PatCassidy    (7QT)
  • MonicaMartin    (7QU)
  • JohnYunker    (7QV)

• Expecting:    (7QW)

• Regrets:    (7QX)

Agenda Ideas    (7QY)

Agenda & Proceedings    (7QZ)

1) Welcome    (7R0)

• KurtConrad took the chair and welcomed everyone    (7R1)

2) Appointment of secretary to take minutes    (7R2)

• PeterYim volunteered    (7R3)

3) Roll-call of participants    (7R4)

• see above    (7R5)

4) Face-to-face meeting (November 5-8, 2003)    (7R6)

• see: post & wiki-page (add in link)    (7R7)

•    (7R8)
  • Dates -- (after we figure out who's attending first)    (7R9)
    • Adam suggests we don't do it over the weekend    (7RA)
    • need to look into supporting virtual attendees    (7RB)
      • check out phone and internet access ... the latter could be a challenge in the Sun facility (Peter to follow up)    (7RC)
  • who's coming -- Kurt will follow up on this    (7RD)
    • Yes: Adam, Peter, Kurt, JohnYunker    (7RE)
    • Virtually: PatCassidy    (7RF)
  • agenda    (7RG)
    • possibility of inviting other UBL / standards folks to join us during the session. (Peter & Kurt to follow up; suggestions welcomed)    (7RH)

5) Communication logistics & work protocols    (7RI)

• a. Standard toolkit    (7RJ)
  • Sevcenko's KIF-browser "kifb" - that's up on our environment already (see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/kifb )    (7RK)
  • Adam's SIGMA knowledge engineering environment - which Adam is trying to get MikeDaconta & PeterYim get set up. Should be running in a few days. That will set the path towards people sharing the environment or install for their own use.    (7RL)
    • Adam stressed that the important thing is to have more people developing content. So far, Kurt is the only one trying now. Definitely need more people. Hopefully, a tutorial will be the bridge.    (7RM)

6) Utilization scenarios    (7RN)

• a. Enabling "autonomous behavior"    (7RO)
  • Question from Kurt: "what would our ontology potentially enable?"    (7RP)
    • Adam: helping people with specifying the "right" items on their purchase order, such as conforming to import/export restrictions, or tax issues    (7RQ)
    • John: helping with "context" (especially the process context) which then help drive the content and the applicable rules    (7RR)
      • like "knowing" regulatory requirements, tax issues, given the seller and buyer countries of origins    (7RS)
    • John mentioned that UN/CEFACT has an addendum on "context". John will look it up and post the info to the forum.    (7RT)
  • Kurt: this takes us out of modeling the documents as containers of data elements, but modeling the objects (items being purchased, buyers, sellers) concerned.    (7RU)
  • Pat: the issue also involves representing the intentions    (7RV)
  • in relation to harmonization, JohnYunker did work (as editor) on the specification of "Business Entity Types", document-object-state dependencies. Moving some of the linking to a meta-level and be able to capture that.    (7RW)
  • John: the key value is to provide a structure by which the process, document and object views can be rationalized against each other.    (7RX)

7) Formalization    (7RY)

• a. Stable set of UBL concepts at http://ubl.cim3.org/~lcsc/lcsc-distribution-v1-0_alpha/UBLv1-alpha/    (7RZ)
  • they are deemed to be stable enough to work on    (7S0)
  • the spreadsheets still form the "source" of their work, and they can be found under the "sss" directory    (7S1)
  • Kurt suggests we mine these spreadsheets to get a list of the concepts that we would need to formalize    (7S2)
  • Kurt: to achieve what we are doing, we would need to match the conceptual scope of UBL.    (7S3)
  • Adam: beware - scope vs form    (7S4)
  • Monica: question - how do we deal with identifier that carries meaning, versus id's that only serves to uniquely identify an object    (7S5)
    • Adam: ontologies will ...    (7S6)
  • Monica: how about the UDEF framework    (7S7)
    • John: there is no real semantics in their framework. One shouldn't use it for anything more than just as identifiers    (7S8)
• Kurt and Adam will get together for lunch (possibly Fri 10.3.03) to go over the spreadsheets.    (7S9)

8) Sponsorship and funding    (7SA)

• a. Inventory NIST contacts    (7SB)

•    (7SC)
  • discussion postponed    (7SD)

9) Other business    (7SE)

•    (7SF)
  • discussion postponed    (7SG)

10) Next meeting date and adjourn    (7SH)

• call adjourned 11:45am.    (7SI)
• next call, same time next week.    (7SJ)

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 notes taken by PeterYim in real time on this wiki
 ppy / 2003-10-10_11:48_PDT    (7SK)