Conference Call 2003-09-04

UBL-Ontology Project Conference Call - Thu 2003-09-04    (7FY)

Conference Call Details    (7FZ)

• Subject: [UblOntology] project conference call Thu 2003-09-04    (7G0)
• Comments/Agenda:    (7G1)
  • Agenda Comments: ... build rapport; ... sync up; ... distribute, assign or arbitrate virtual ownership of tasks; ... and use it to deal with emergencies. ... plus, member suggested agenda items.    (7G2)
  • Please post you suggested agenda items if you would like to see anything put onto the agenda    (7G3)
  • please post or upload any material to be shared to the list, to the wiki or by ftp upload prior to the meeting    (7G4)
  • VNC session will be started 5 minutes before the call at: http://vnc2.cim3.net:5800/    (7G5)
    • view-only password: "ontolog"    (7G6)
    • view-and-control pw: to be supplied during session as needed    (7G7)
  • During the call, please browse the wiki page at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Conference_Call_2003-09-04    (7G8)
• Date: Thursday, Sep. 04, 2003    (7G9)
• Start Time: 10:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time    (7GA)
• End Time: 11:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time    (7GB)
• Dial-in Number: 1-702-851-3330 (Las Vegas, Nevada)    (7GC)
• Participant Access Code: "030904#"    (7GD)

Attendees    (7GE)

• Attended:    (7GF)
  • KurtConrad    (7GG)
  • PeterYim    (7GH)
  • LeoObrst    (7GI)
  • MonicaMartin    (7GJ)
  • PatCassidy    (7GK)
  • BillMcCarthy    (7GL)

• Regrets:    (7GM)
  • AdamPease    (7GN)
  • MikeDaconta    (7GO)
  • BoNewman    (7GP)

Agenda Ideas    (7GQ)

Agenda & Proceedings    (7GR)

1) Welcome    (7GS)

• Kurt took the chair and welcomed everyone.    (7GT)

2) Appointment of secretary to take minutes    (7GU)

• Peter volunteered    (7GV)

3) Roll-call of participants    (7GW)

• see above    (7GX)

4) Possible face-to-face meeting    (7GY)

•    (7H1)
  • discussion postponed.    (7H2)

5) Communication logistics & work protocols    (7H3)

• Everyone should review the "Levels of Specification" discussion and post their comments and extensions to that thread.    (7H6)
  • Believe we are converging.    (7H7)

6) Use cases (http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UseCases)    (7H8)

•    (7HC)
  • discussion postponed. (all above)    (7HD)

7) Formalization - Open Discussion    (7HE)

• PPY's questions for Leo    (7HF)
  • are we on the right track?    (7HG)
  • how do we (or should we) dovetail this work into OWL? If so, what would be a good roadmap for it.    (7HH)
    • it's building momentum, let's tap into that    (7HI)
    • let's make sure we can map into it    (7HJ)
    • Protege probably will have the right mechanism, in due course, if not already    (7HK)

•    (7HL)
  • Leo: we should use a tool that encourages participation ... Protege is a good choice (it's frame based and ...)    (7HM)
    • with KIF, you can express more axioms    (7HN)
    • KIF is just a language, you'd still need a tool to work with it    (7HO)
  • Leo: I don't have problems with SUMO, it's good    (7HP)
    • KIF style is closer to the first order logic than OWL    (7HQ)
    • "I'm more pragmatic in making good use of available resources ..."    (7HR)

•    (7HS)
  • Pat:    (7HT)
    • capturing axioms as PAL constraints    (7HU)
    • what "cannot" be expressed in Protege?    (7HV)
      • Adam usually points to: functions, e.g. Date/time, measurements    (7HW)

• Leo: Bottom line - we need to meet both constrints below    (7HX)
  • use the most expressive language you can    (7HY)
  • use a tool that implements a language that maximizes the participants (but allowing them to backdoor into the formal FOL expression)    (7HZ)

• Kurt: our debate has been somewhat confusing in that    (7I0)
  • product vs process    (7I1)
  • representation and application    (7I2)

• learning KIF is learning first order logic    (7I3)
  • predicates, conjuncts, disjuncts, ..., negation    (7I4)
  • sequence varibales (partial extension into second order logic)    (7I5)

• Application tools (after we have an ontology)    (7I6)
  • FOL reasoner    (7I7)
  • Prolog    (7I8)
  • OntoEdit, OILed -    (7I9)
  • query engines    (7IA)

• Leo: our focus    (7IB)
  • 1. ontology creation and management    (7IC)
  • 2. Use (applicaiton) of the ontology    (7ID)

8) Sponsorship and funding    (7IE)

•    (7IF)
  • discussion postponed.    (7IG)

9) Other business    (7IH)

• Projects we can further focus small group efforts on:    (7II)
  • ubl-ontology (curreent)    (7IJ)
  • knowledge transfer/training (start one - Kurt et al.)    (7IK)
  • ebXML registry as an ontology repository (soon to start - Peter / Farruhk)    (7IL)

• MonicaMartin: one more relevant development    (7IM)
  • w3c choreography - public-ws-chor.w3.org?    (7IN)
  • Monica will post link    (7IO)

10) Next meeting date and adjourn    (7IP)

• next meeting, same time next week 2003-09-11 10:30am PDT    (7IQ)
• meeting adjourned 11:38am    (7IR)

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 PeterYim / 2003-09-04_11:54 PDT    (7IS)