UBL-Ontology Project Conference Call - Thu 2003-04-10 (65U)
- Conference Call Details: (65V)
- Subject: [ubl-ontology] project conference call (65W)
- Comments/Agenda: (65X)
- Agenda Comments: ... build rapport; ... sync up; ... distribute, assign or arbitrate virtual ownership of tasks; ... and use it to deal with emergencies. ... plus, member suggested agenda items. (65Y)
- Please post you suggested agenda items if you would like to see anything put onto the agenda (65Z)
- please post or upload any material to be shared to the list, to the wiki or by ftp upload prior to the meeting (660)
- VNC session will be started 5 minutes before the call at: http://vnc3.cim3.net:5800/ (661)
- During the call, please browse the wiki page at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Conference_Call_2003-04-10 (664)
- Date:Thursday, April 10, 2003 (665)
- Start Time: 10:30 AM Pacific Std Time (666)
- End Time: 11:25 AM Pacific Std Time (667)
- Dial-in Number: 1-702-851-3330 (Las Vegas, Nevada) (668)
- Participant Access Code: "030410" (669)
- Attendees: (66A)
Agenda Ideas (66L)
- (66M)
- review responses to the UBL 0p70 release --suggested by PeterYim (66N)
- discussion: the perspective of UBL as, in JonBosak's words, an "implicit ontology" (or, at the least, an informal ontology) (66O)
- is there enough interest to get UBL people (TimMcGrath, EveMaler, LisaSeaburg and/or JonBosak) to talk to our group, to get us up to speed quickly on the UBL release 0p70 in particular, and the whole UBL thrust in general? --suggested by PeterYim (66P)
Agenda & Proceedings (66Q)
Meeting Details (66R)
Date: Thursday, April 10, 2003 Start Time: 10:30 am PDT / 1:30 EDT End Time: 11:30 am PDT (reserved to 11:55 am PDT) (66S)
Dial-in Number: 1-702-851-3330 (Las Vegas, Nevada) Access Code: 030410 (66T)
No VNC will be provided for this meeting. (66U)
Meeting Wiki: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Conference_Call_2003-04-10 (66V)
Agenda (66W)
1) Welcome (66X)
2) Appointment of secretary to take minutes (66Y)
3) Roll-call of participants (66Z)
4) Communication logistics & work protocols (670)
a. New threads (vs "reply") b. Including text of old message c. Unsubscribing (671)
5) Updates on proposed methodologies (672)
a. Leo's 04.03 posting (673)
6) Updates on use cases (674)
a. PO / Invoice reconciliation b. Address structure c. Map to other representations (675)
7) Feedback to UBL committee (676)
a. Feedback window closes on 2003.06.14 b. UBL TC Meeting in London: 2003.04.29-05.02 c. Goal: Someone to deliver a brief of findings and recommendations d. Wiki at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UblRelease0p70 (677)
8) Status of analysis and formalization of UBL models (678)
a. Invoice (AdamPease) b. PO (BillMcCarthy) c. Shipping (JohnYunker) d. Mapping to one or more upper ontologies (Leo's 04.03 posting) e. Listing of Core Components (679)
9) Tasking (67A)
a. Previous assignments b. New assignments (67B)
10) Other Business (67C)
Proceedings (67D)
1) Welcome (67E)
KurtConrad took the chair and welcomed everyone. (67F)
2) Appointment of secretary to take minutes (67G)
PeterYim volunteered to take minutes. (67H)
3) Roll-call of participants (67I)
see above. (67J)
4) Communication logistics & work protocols (67K)
4a. New threads (vs "reply") (67L)
- KurtConrad explained the way the system works, and asked participants to use "reply" when continuing a discussion, and (67M)
- "start a new thread" when a new subject is tackled (67N)
- PeterYim also suggested that people try to keep one subject on one thread. (67O)
4b. Including text of old message (67P)
4c. Unsubscribing (67Q)
5) Updates on proposed methodologies (67R)
5a. Leo's 04.03 posting (67S)
- KurtConrad assumes we have closure on this topic now. (67T)
6) Updates on use cases (67U)
- Discussion: (67V)
- (67W)
- JohnYunker: a discussion relating to UBL and CC was made. (67X)
- (67Y)
- AdamPease asked: Are we mapping or are we formalizing? (67Z)
- to which the group concluded that the former is a means towards the latter, but then, we should not be totally "stuck" on where UBL is today. (680)
- KurtConrad suggests we use UBL as the starting point of our formalization effort, but without extending the conceptual scope. (681)
- AdamPease asked: Are we mapping or are we formalizing? (67Z)
- (682)
- BillMcCarthy asked what is UBL's position with our work here -- the concept of the "missing nothing" (683)
- KurtConrad -- think of our role as early warning and a leading indicator (684)
- BillMcCarthy asked what is UBL's position with our work here -- the concept of the "missing nothing" (683)
6a. PO / Invoice reconciliation (687)
- KurtConrad has concerns that this might stretch our scope. (688)
6b. Address structure (689)
- in relation to context drivers (68A)
6c. Map to other representations (68B)
- in relation to normalization and harmonization efforts (68C)
- JohnYunker: suggest we may have multiple ontologies. John will post a thread to discuss this. (68D)
KurtConrad suggests that these use cases should be written up so that everyone is on the same page as to what they mean. (68E)
- BillMcCarthy volunteers for 6a; (68F)
- we'll solicit from the list for someone to do 6b; and (68G)
- PeterYim on 6c. (68H)
- Bill warns that he is not a UML jock (neither is Peter) (68I)
7) Feedback to UBL committee (68J)
7a. Feedback window closes on 2003.04.14 (68K)
7b. UBL TC Meeting in London: 2003.04.29-05.02 (68L)
7c. Goal: Someone to deliver a brief of findings and recommendations (68M)
7d. Wiki at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UblRelease0p70 (68N)
- KurtConrad will champion putting the comment/feedback package together. (68O)
- Peter promised to forward to Kurt a sample of the other comments received at UBL for his reference. (68P)
8) Status of analysis and formalization of UBL models (68Q)
- not discussed (68S)
8b. PO (BillMcCarthy) (68T)
- has downloaded the relevant parts of SUMO (68U)
- has done a mapping between xCBL to a business process ontology at UN/CEFACT (68V)
- still preliminary at this stage (68W)
- Kurt suggests for Bill to make a list of what would have been useful in the exercise. (68X)
- Bill requests that the group to comment and help if things are not as formal as the rest of the group is looking for. (68Y)
8c. Shipping (JohnYunker) (68Z)
- not discussed (690)
8d. Mapping to one or more upper ontologies (Leo's 04.03 posting) (691)
- not discussed (692)
8e. Listing of Core Components (693)
- not discussed (694)
9) Tasking (695)
- not discussed (696)
10) Other Business (697)
- KurtConrad would want to address the "tools" issue, but will put it on next week's agenda. (698)
- Meeting adjourned at 10:32am 4.10.2003 (699)
Minutes taken in real time on the wiki by PeterYim ppy/4.10.2003-11:33PDT (69A)