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              Theme: "Semantic Web, Big Data, and Applied Ontology"    (42EQ)
              This Summit provides a great opportunity for building bridges between the Semantic Web, Big Data, 
              and Applied Ontology communities. We would like to see a number of concrete objectives that we 
              could hopefully achieve. The Big Data and Semantic Web communities can bring a wide array of 
              real problems and technologies (e.g. performance and scalability challenges, automated reasoning tools), 
              while the Applied Ontology community can bring a large body of knowledge and content (i.e. ontologies) 
              and ontological analysis techniques.    (42ER)
              Specific issues we can attempt to address, include:    (42ES)
              * What ontologies are required by the Semantic Web / Big Data applications?
              ** If these ontologies are not available in any current ontology repository, how can we engage 
                 the applied ontology community to develop them?    (42ET)
              * Of the ontologies that are being widely used within the Semantic Web / Big Data community, 
                what kinds of analysis can be done with them?    (42EU)
              * How can reasoning tools being developed within the Semantic Web / Big Data community be applied 
                to the ontologies that are being developed by the applied ontology community?    (42EV)
              * What other semantic technologies can be used to support the ontology lifecycle? 
                ... (building on the results of last year's Summit).    (42EW)
 see raw transcript here.    (41TL)
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 Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.    (41TM)
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	[8:47] PeterYim: Welcome to the    (42GN)
	 = OntologySummit2014 (Pre-launch) Community Input and Planning Session - Thu 2013-12-05 =    (42GO)
	Summit Theme: Semantic Web, Big Data, and Applied Ontology 
	              ...(exact title to be fine tuned at this session)    (42GP)
	Co-chairs: Professor MichaelGruninger (IAOA; U of Toronto) & Dr. LeoObrst (ONTOLOG; MITRE)    (42GQ)
	AGENDA:    (42GR)
	* 1. Opening - co-chairs
	* 2. Open floor for ideas on developing and executing the program - discussion: All
	* 3. A call for volunteers and champions ... and, getting organized - discussion: All
	* 4. A call for communities (we should engage/collaborate with), co-sponsors, and recommendations for Advisory Committee members - discussion: All
	* 5. Summary and wrap-up - co-chairs    (42GS)
	Logistics:    (42GT)
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	Attendees: MichaelGruninger (co-chair), LeoObrst (co-chair), AliHashemi, AmandaVizedom, 
	  AndreaWesterinen, BartGajderowicz, ChristophLange, FrancescaQuattri, FrankOlken, GaryBergCross, 
	  GaryGannon, HensonGraves, JackRing, JeffCox, JensOrtmann, JohnMcClure, KingsleyIdehen, KenBaclawski, 
	  KrzysztofJanowicz, MarcelaVegetti, MarkFox, MelanieCourtot, MikeBennett, MikeDean, PeterYim, ShariqAhmedTariq, 
	  StefanoBorgo, SteveRay, TerryLongstreth, TillMossakowski, TimFinin, ToddSchneider, ToniFarley, ...    (42GY)
	 == Proceedings ==    (42GZ)
	[9:01] anonymous morphed into KingsleyIdehen    (42H0)
	[9:07] anonymous morphed into JensOrtmann    (42H1)
	[9:20] anonymous morphed into JeffCox    (42H2)
	[9:22] anonymous morphed into MelanieCourtot    (42H3)
	[9:25] vnc211 morphed into vnc2    (42H4)
	[9:27] JensOrtmann morphed into JensOrtmann    (42H5)
	[9:30] JensOrtmann: Hello, I just joined the conference call via Skype, I will just stay muted, the 
	connection is a bit noisy.    (42H6)
	[9:31] JensOrtmann: is there anything I need to do for the VNC (I'm using safari)    (42H7)
	[9:32] anonymous1 morphed into MarkFox    (42H8)
	[9:33] anonymous1 morphed into ToniFarley    (42H9)
	[9:34] anonymous1 morphed into FrancescaQuattri    (42HA)
	[9:35] anonymous1 morphed into GaryBergCross    (42HB)
	[9:36] PeterYim: == MichaelGruninger and LeoObrst starts the session ... see slides at: 
	http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2014/2013-12-05_OntologySummit2014-pre-launch/OntologySummit2014_prelaunch--MichaelGruninger-LeoObrst_20131205.pdf    (42HC)
	Candidate Tracks (from the opening slides):    (42HD)
	Track 1. Content: Ontologies and Ontological Analysis * What ontologies are required by the Semantic 
	Web applications? * If these ontologies are not available in any current ontology repository, how 
	can we engage the applied ontology community to develop them? * Can we apply existing analysis 
	techniques to ontologies that are being widely used within the Semantic Web community?    (42HE)
	Track 2. Reasoning Tools and Techniques * How can reasoning tools being developed within the 
	Semantic Web community be applied to the ontologies that are being developed by the applied ontology 
	community? * What other semantic technologies can be used to support the ontology lifecycle? 
	(building on the results of last year's Summit).    (42HF)
	Track 3. Ontology Languages * What expressiveness is required by the ontologies that are being 
	developed by the applied ontology community? * What role is play by decidability and tractability in 
	applications of ontologies?    (42HG)
	Track 4. Ontological Challenges in Big Data * How can Big Data leverage existing ontologies? * What 
	requirements do problems encountered with Big Data impose on the design of ontologies?    (42HH)
	[9:51] PeterYim: == Open Discussion ... LeoObrst moderating    (42HI)
	[9:52] PeterYim: topics for discussion * Approaches: program, process, ... * Topics / Tracks * 
	Collaborators (partnering communities) * Identifying Experts / Speakers / Invitees * Marketing / 
	Sponsors    (42HJ)
	[9:42] ToddSchneider: Leo, Michael, What about a track to address uses w.r.t. big data?    (42HK)
	[9:45] GaryBergCross: I would love some improvement or alternatives to SKOS which is widely used.    (42HL)
	[9:51] ToddSchneider: Gary, what about a general topic of 'correcting' existing (syntactically 
	correct) ontologies?    (42HM)
	[9:52] GaryBergCross: @ Todd as to 'correcting' existing (syntactically correct) ontologies that is 
	perhaps too general....    (42HN)
	[9:49] ToddSchneider: Where might [dynamic] creation/modification of ontologies fit?    (42HO)
	[9:51] AmandaVizedom: RE: strawman track 1: "Content: Ontologies and Ontological Analysis" (content 
	& repositories) -- I think that this framing is natural within the formal ontology - centric 
	community, but not from a SW ontology use perspective. Here's a counter-proposal: frame in terms of: 
	SW Ontologies: Supply & Demand. Subtopics include what is mentioned here, but gives even weight to 
	looking at: how is semantically-enhanced data published or exposed on the web? How is 
	semantically-enhanced data consumed on the web?    (42HP)
	[9:52] MichaelGruninger: @Amanda: there are several repository efforts like Swoogle and Tones that 
	would fit into the idea of content    (42HQ)
	[9:54] AmandaVizedom: @Michael, yes, but let's also look at this as very active public vocabulary 
	users do, as with schema.org, Linked Open Vocabularies, etc.    (42HR)
	[9:58] ToddSchneider: I think Amanda's suggestion could fall under the 'Big Data' track.    (42HS)
	[9:54] MichaelGruninger: @Amanda: that would make a great session    (42HT)
	[10:06] MichaelGruninger: I saw each track as following "supply and demand" metaphor    (42HU)
	[9:52] KingsleyIdehen: +1 for theme    (42HV)
	[9:52] anonymous1 morphed into TimFinin    (42HW)
	[9:48] LeoObrst: For candidate track 2 "Reasoning Tools and Techniques", we can also leverage the 
	RulesReasoningLP mini-series, currently ongoing: 
	http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RulesReasoningLP.    (42HX)
	[9:52] HensonGraves: The invited speakers for RulesReasoningLP mini-series session 4, if they 
	accept, will be addressing at some level many of these topics, ontologies, data storage for large 
	scale applications, reasoning, etc.    (42HY)
	[9:52] AndreaWesterinen: What about ontology design patterns as discussed on the SWAO SIG? Where 
	would that fit?    (42HZ)
	[9:53] MichaelGruninger: @Andrea: I saw ontology patterns fitting into the Content track. We can 
	modify the title and be more explicit about the scope to reflect this    (42I0)
	[9:54] AndreaWesterinen: @Michael I would agree but wanted to confirm.    (42I1)
	[9:53] MelanieCourtot: I like the theme and tracks, but I wonder how tracks will relate to each 
	other and interact. Will a few datasets of interest be identified for example?    (42I2)
	[9:53] PeterYim: see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_12_05#nid42EQ 
	(capturing below) for a description of the theme, objectives and issues we might tackle ... please 
	discuss and fine tune    (42I3)
	[9:54] PeterYim: Theme: "Semantic Web, Big Data, and Applied Ontology" (42EQ)    (42I4)
	This Summit provides a great opportunity for building bridges between the Semantic Web, Big Data, 
	and Applied Ontology communities. We would like to see a number of concrete objectives that we 
	could hopefully achieve. The Big Data and Semantic Web communities can bring a wide array of real 
	problems and technologies (e.g. performance and scalability challenges, automated reasoning tools), 
	while the Applied Ontology community can bring a large body of knowledge and content (i.e. 
	ontologies) and ontological analysis techniques. (42ER)    (42I5)
	Specific issues we can attempt to address, include: (42ES)    (42I6)
	* What ontologies are required by the Semantic Web / Big Data applications? ** If these ontologies 
	are not available in any current ontology repository, how can we engage the applied ontology 
	community to develop them? (42ET)    (42I7)
	* Of the ontologies that are being widely used within the Semantic Web / Big Data community, 
	what kinds of analysis can be done with them? (42EU)    (42I8)
	* How can reasoning tools being developed within the Semantic Web / Big Data community be applied 
	to the ontologies that are being developed by the applied ontology community? (42EV)    (42I9)
	* What other semantic technologies can be used to support the ontology lifecycle? ... (building on 
	the results of last year's Summit). (42EW)    (42IA)
	[9:55] JackRing: Build bridges between three technology nodes does not acknowledge the Value to 
	Society node.    (42IB)
	[9:56] MikeBennett: On Track 1 / ontologies, I came across a paper which makes a distinction between 
	conceptual ontologies and ones in applications, using SKOS. This may be relevant to some of what 
	people are asking about SKOS, and might be something to explore. So I guess that validates the need 
	to explore that kind of stuff in Track 1?    (42IC)
	[9:53] AliHashemi: @Gary - What about SKOS-XL, or is that more of the same?    (42ID)
	[9:56] GaryBergCross: @Ali Yes SKOS-XL seems like more of the same model, but like OWL-2 it does try 
	to address issues of interest to some.    (42IE)
	[9:56] AliHashemi: @Gary - what would you like to see?    (42IF)
	[9:58] GaryBergCross: @Ali - I would like to see something better than the thesaurus approach with 
	relations like "broader" & "narrower."    (42IG)
	[9:58] MichaelGruninger: @everyone -- if people have alternative ideas for tracks, please post them 
	in the chat    (42IH)
	[9:59] AmandaVizedom: Recommend to anyone unfamiliar with the SW supply and demand situation: 
	"listen" in on public-vocabs.org mailing list for a while.    (42II)
	[9:59] KingsleyIdehen: @AmandaVizedom: maybe we could use the theme title: Ontologies, Semantic Web, 
	Big Data, and Society :-)    (42IJ)
	[9:59] HensonGraves: I assume that value to society can be negative as well as possible    (42IK)
	[10:01] KingsleyIdehen: Major challenges: Privacy, Data Integration etc..    (42IL)
	[10:01] TerryLongstreth: We're searching for the 'utility functions'    (42IM)
	[10:12] GaryBergCross: @AmandaVizedom @Kingsley On this alternative theme title: Ontologies, 
	Semantic Web, Big Data, and Society - I like keeping the idea of Applied Ontology in the title - 
	such application will help serve larger social needs.    (42IN)
	[10:17] FrancescaQuattri: About the theme title:thumb up to KingsleyIdehen's proposal (""Ontologies, 
	Semantic Web, Big Data and Society"") with a slight change: What about [...] and the users (I guess 
	that all discussions on titles are for now just tentative)    (42IO)
	[10:13] MikeBennett: @Gary +1    (42IP)
	[9:57] MichaelGruninger: @Amanda: Do you see your ideas forming a different track, or would this 
	focus one of the suggested tracks?    (42IQ)
	[10:01] AmandaVizedom: @Michael, I think there are a few ways to cast it. It could be in the framing 
	of the whole theme and org committee. It could be a separate track. It could be a re-framing of 
	track 1, though it broadens it... Most importantly, I think it should be introduced in substance *before* 
	the ontology content exploration.    (42IR)
	[10:02] GaryBergCross: A recent AAAI workshop had a session that included topics like - the use of 
	semantic metadata and ontologies for Big Data, the use of formal and informal semantics, the 
	integration and interplay of deductive (semantic) and statistical methods, methods to establish 
	semantic interoperability between data sources ways of dealing with semantic heterogeneity, 
	scalability of Semantic Web methods and tools, and semantic approaches to the explication of 
	requirements from eScience applications.    (42IS)
	[10:04] anonymous1 morphed into hypergrove ... hypergrove morphed into JohnMcClure    (42IT)
	[10:00] TimFinin: I think we should add a topic or make room in an existing topic for techniques 
	that can automatically or semi-automatically map a given dataset into a semantic representation 
	(e.g., into RDF) using a given ontology. I think this is a big part of enabling big semantic data. 
	Examples of this process include the framework that DBpedia has developed and also the various 
	systems that try to the data in tables into RDF (e.g., http://bit.ly/17VN2Gi).    (42IU)
	[10:02] MelanieCourtot: @Tim: I like that - exploring practical ways or making this happen, missing 
	tools/support    (42IV)
	[10:03] ToniFarley: +1 Tim's idea    (42IW)
	[10:03] AmandaVizedom: @TimFinin: Yes! That is an example of things that would come up under 
	consumption/use and then lead to further topics under many of the tracks mentioned.    (42IX)
	[10:08] MichaelGruninger: @TimFinin -- I agree that would be a great session topic (in whatever 
	Track it resides)    (42IY)
	[10:02] PeterYim: with KingsleyIdehen's help, we have been successful in engaging DanBrickley 
	(@danbri, of FAOF, SKOS and Schema.org fame) to join us in the organizing committee this summit 
	season    (42IZ)
	[10:03] KingsleyIdehen: About @danbri (aka. Dan Brickley) read: http://danbri.org    (42J0)
	[10:03] AmandaVizedom: Delighted to hear that @danbri will be on org committee.    (42J1)
	[10:06] KingsleyIdehen: Additional information relating to @danbri: 
	http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/about/id/entity/http/www.slideshare.net/danbri (presentation 
	collection from slideshare)    (42J2)
	[10:07] MichaelGruninger: It would also be great if each track was a balance of theoretical ideas 
	and applications/test case studies    (42J3)
	[10:07] AmandaVizedom: +1 for @Michael's idea that theory and application be woven into each track, 
	rather than segregated into separate tracks.    (42J4)
	[10:08] PeterYim: ditto (+1 for @Michael's idea that theory and application be woven into each track)    (42J5)
	[10:07] MelanieCourtot: Are the test case studies (or some of them) intended to be shared between tracks?    (42J6)
	[10:09] KingsleyIdehen: (responding to Jack's verbal comments) @JackRing: URL ?    (42J7)
	[10:13] JackRing: This URL introduces the forthcoming chipset that is the alternative to the 
	vonNeumann stored program computer which is not suitable for processing complex, conditional webs of 
	information. Notice particularly the IEEE paper. 
	http://www.micron.com/about/innovations/automata-processing?source=mb 
	https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-creates-world-s-first-research-center-automata-computing-suppo 
	rt-micron-technology-inc    (42J8)
	[10:15] JackRing: The URL's provided are not the only instances of new kinds of hardware 
	architectures. We should be alert to these 'platform' opportunities.    (42J9)
	[10:09] FrancescaQuattri: Maybe a point on the semantics of the ""Semantic Web"" could be raised too. 
	We already had some discussions about lexical disambiguation and adequate terminology, especially 
	when it comes to combine the three let's called them infrastructures    (42JA)
	[10:10] MichaelGruninger: (paraphrasing MikeBennett's verbal comment) @MikeBennet -- Bringing 
	ontologies from the lab to the web    (42JB)
	[10:11] MikeBennett: @Michael that's a nice way of putting it.    (42JC)
	[10:11] AmandaVizedom: I do think that it would be usefully focusing to make sure not only that each 
	track is open to the ""supply & demand"" view, but that each track is put together with some awareness 
	of current SW activities.    (42JD)
	[10:12] AmandaVizedom: @Michael -- and also from the web to the lab! E.g., emergent issues and 
	characteristics    (42JE)
	[10:12] TerryLongstreth: @Michael- and the converse - Bringing them from the web to the lab    (42JF)
	[10:13] MichaelGruninger: @Terry: +1 There and back again :-)    (42JG)
	[10:16] LeoObrst: Web <==> Lab    (42JH)
	[10:12] AndreaWesterinen: There is also the issue of ""broad use"" ontologies and ""specific 
	application"" ontologies. Where the former is simpler and more general, the latter is more specific 
	and (likely?) more complex.    (42JI)
	[10:13] MarkFox: As part of Track 1, how can we detect when a particular ontology is gaining 
	traction on the semantic web? What portions are being used and why?    (42JJ)
	[10:14] ChristophLange: @MarkFox +1    (42JK)
	[10:15] ChristophLange: @MarkFox I hope that linked open data technology will be helpful here, but 
	we could also aim at detecting usage of an ontology aside of linked data.    (42JL)
	[10:17] MarkFox: Another issue is how relevant are efforts like schema.org? I find them to be both 
	sparse and not well thought it. Ultimately, I may use a couple of classes and properties but they 
	add little semantically to the effort.    (42JM)
	[10:17] GaryBergCross: @MarkFox The last time the Summit had an effort to report on particular 
	ontology use (traction) we were told much of this was hidden App use. This is perhaps less true now 
	or with LOD/semantic web.    (42JN)
	[10:16] AndreaWesterinen: I am worried if we focus only on the ""broad use"", then we miss the 
	patterns, learnings and growth applications for ontologies and SW. Semantics and domains broadly 
	vary. We will never find something of interest to everyone - unless we look more broadly.    (42JO)
	[10:18] AndreaWesterinen: My ""broadly"" in my comment was meant to mean across domains and specific to domains.    (42JP)
	[10:18] TerryLongstreth: per Todd - Evolution of ontologies in use    (42JQ)
	[10:19] MichaelGruninger: Do people see the issue of Ontology Languages as being important, or too stale?    (42JR)
	[10:23] PeterYim: @MichaelGruninger: re your question ""Do people see the issue of Ontology Languages 
	as being important?"" ... Yes, indeed, but we might consider that being part of the other tracks, 
	rather than having it as one track ... unless there are specific objectives/goals we can clearly 
	identify that this track can deliver    (42JS)
	[10:19] TerryLongstreth: that is - do we see examples of self organizing and evolving ontologies    (42JT)
	[10:19] KingsleyIdehen: Specifically, we should consider: addressing Big Data's variety challenge 
	through applied ontologies    (42JU)
	[10:20] MichaelGruninger: @Amanda: I see this as being a key deliverable for this year's Summit -- 
	what is the current situation (capabilities, successes, challenges) with the basic issues of 
	ontologies vis-a-vis each community    (42JV)
	[10:21] ToddSchneider: Michael, there is need to discuss 'languages' in the context(s) of there 
	limitations and exclusions of expressivity (e.g., Horn clauses). To be of '    (42JW)
	[10:22] ToddSchneider: 'real' use in systems, more expressivity is needed.    (42JX)
	[10:22] MichaelGruninger: @Amanda: What if each Track is organized around a major challenge in 
	bringing ontologies from the lab to Web and from the Web to the lab?    (42JY)
	[10:22] MichaelGruninger: Of course, this would presuppose that we know what the challenges are :-)    (42JZ)
	[10:22] ToddSchneider: There are usually multiple major challenges.    (42K0)
	[10:23] AmandaVizedom: +1 for reasoning as track -- *to be defined in part* by looking at current 
	state of, and challenges for, reasoning on/over/with semantic web content.    (42K1)
	[10:23] ToniFarley: Challenges vary by domain as well, so that may be difficult to generalize    (42K2)
	[10:23] AmandaVizedom: @Michael, I like that, with caveat that I also agree with Todd that there are 
	usually more than 1.    (42K3)
	[10:24] AmandaVizedom: Note that *consumption* of SW data is often private.    (42K4)
	[10:24] KingsleyIdehen: All: 
	http://Kingsley.idehen.net/DAV/home/kidehen/Public/Linked%20Data%20Documents/Linked-Data-Identifiers 
	 -Logic-Venn.html -- illustrating some important overlaps    (42K5)
	[10:25] KingsleyIdehen: Similar could be constructed re. Big Data, Ontologies, and Semantic Web    (42K6)
	[10:27] AmandaVizedom: Mailing list featuring real-life discussion of consumption needs, issues with 
	web vocabs, and needs: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/    (42K7)
	[10:27] AndreaWesterinen: @Amanda +1, I have been there :-)    (42K8)
	[10:28] MichaelGruninger: @Andrea -- I agree with your points. I saw your comments about patterns as 
	part of the approach of bringing ontological content from experiences in the Semantic Web to the 
	rest of the ontology community    (42K9)
	[10:28] AmandaVizedom: @Andrea :-) I think it's a good eye-opener or those not exposed much to 
	active SW publication and consumption.    (42KA)
	[10:31] KrzysztofJanowicz: Personally, I would love a track on how to overcome the ontology 
	engineering bottleneck by scaling up the design of reusable and flexible ontologies to make the SW 
	stack fit for big data.    (42KB)
	[10:32] AndreaWesterinen: @Krzystztof Would that overlap with patterns as well?    (42KC)
	[10:32] KrzysztofJanowicz: yes ... KrzysztofJanowicz: absolutely, patterns would play a huge role 
	here    (42KD)
	[10:34] KrzysztofJanowicz: @AndreaWesterinen: IMHO, this would have many aspects for at least 2 or 3 
	virtual sessions. Once could be about including machine learning and related methods to mine 
	primitives and patterns for ontologies, another session would be on how to ensure that ontologies 
	are reusable and flexible, another one would be about lowering the initial hurdle for domain experts 
	to use these ontologies to publish, retrieve, and integrate data.    (42KE)
	[10:35] AndreaWesterinen: Perhaps the examination of patterns is then about describing it AND its 
	uses INCLUDING big data, reasoning, etc.    (42KF)
	[10:35] JohnMcClure: very supportive of a session for exploring ontology bottlenecks    (42KG)
	[10:28] MelanieCourtot: wrt mappings, I think it would be interesting to see how to integrate 
	sometimes overlapping resources    (42KH)
	[10:32] StefanoBorgo: I need to go, sorry.    (42KI)
	[10:33] PeterYim: Thanks, Stefano ... join us tomorrow if you can    (42KJ)
	[10:36] ToddSchneider: Have to go. From what I've heard and read it appears that the proposed tracks 
	can accommodate all of the suggestions. But there will be overlap among the particular 
	subjects/problems/challenges addressed (which I don't see as problem). Cheers.    (42KK)
	[10:36] PeterYim: bye, Todd ... talk to you tomorrow, hopefully    (42KL)
	[10:37] MikeBennett: @Krzysztof I'm very interested in the area of common, reusable ontology 
	material - mid level ontologies. Many industry and application ontologies may not currently make 
	full use of common abstractions (for instance things tend to go into industry verticals even if they 
	have a common concept like Contract or Transaction).    (42KM)
	[10:38] KrzysztofJanowicz: MikeBennett, yes but this mid level is really underdeveloped    (42KN)
	[10:38] MichaelGruninger: Would people like to see Track 1 retitled to ""Ontology Patterns""?    (42KO)
	[10:38] KrzysztofJanowicz: it needs more work. patterns are one part of it by there is more to it in 
	terms of alignments etc    (42KP)
	[10:39] TerryLongstreth: Where and how does the top down meet the bottom up?    (42KQ)
	[10:39] MikeBennett: It is. I think many of the existing mid level material may need to be framed 
	within common upper ontology patterns, with concepts in an industry vertical needing to be promoted 
	to a higher level abstraction if it's to become part of a reusable raft of concepts - for instance 
	commitments, rights, activities.    (42KR)
	[10:40] TimFinin: One area where ontologies will help is cybersecurity. For example, we can do a 
	better job of detecting intrusions, zero-day attacks, advanced persistent threats and low-and-slow 
	attacks if we can integrate and analyze information for multiple layers, computers, systems and 
	networks. Having better ontologies for computer system-related entities, products, processes, states 
	and events and also vulnerabilities will help. the amount of data can be large.    (42KS)
	[10:40] AndreaWesterinen: @Michael Maybe Track 1 is about "Common, Reusable Ontology Material"
	keying off MikeBennett's comment.    (42KT)
	[10:40] KrzysztofJanowicz: IMHO, the key insight is that we can stay on the level of small, data and 
	query informed, and purpose-driven ontologies and then work more on the ontology alignment layer. 
	This will make the use of ontologies scale.    (42KU)
	[10:40] MichaelGruninger: @Andrea: Sounds good    (42KV)
	[10:41] GaryBergCross: @Krzysztof I agree that Track 1 is more than patterns, but we might modify 
	the title to indicate that from "What ontologies are required by the Semantic Web / Big Data 
	applications?"    (42KW)
	[10:41] MikeBennett: @Andrea or that may be one thread of subject matter within that track? The 
	point at the moment is that if that conversation wants to happen, does it fit into the tracks we 
	have or do we need to re-frame them? Or narrow down the title?    (42KX)
	[10:41] AndreaWesterinen: @Krzysztof +1    (42KY)
	[10:41] PeterYim: @GaryGannon - (re your verbal comments) well said ... please document that here    (42KZ)
	[10:47] GaryGannon: It may make sense to start the summit by defining key goals for integrating 
	semantic web, big data, and ontology technologies. Focusing on the respective strengths and 
	weaknesses of each of these technologies could help shape discussions about how to best integrate 
	these fields. Additionally, there should be focus on what sort of problems can be solved by 
	integrating these technologies.    (42L0)
	[10:42] GaryBergCross: @Andrea +1 on your take on Track 1.    (42L1)
	[10:42] MarkFox: A small issue with the title of Track 4: the vast majority of Big Data applications 
	are really data analytics applications whose data sizes are relatively small. But many of them 
	require the integration of data from many sources.    (42L2)
	[10:42] AndreaWesterinen: @Mike I was looking to expand the title, not narrow it. It seems all 
	the "narrowing" gets to be too much.    (42L3)
	[10:42] KrzysztofJanowicz: @gary: yes, imho it would be good to rephrase that but I am new to the 
	procedure and leave it to all of you to decide    (42L4)
	[10:42] MikeBennett: @Andrea great.    (42L5)
	[10:44] MichaelGruninger: @MarkFox: Agreed -- ontologies play a bigger role in the Variety aspect of 
	Big Data. more than Volume and Velocity    (42L6)
	[10:44] GaryBergCross: @Krzysztof This task of coming up with a title is a bit of a chicken and egg 
	problem and I think we should be flexible and use the title as a topical scoping guide with the 
	supporting details to be developed to show topical cohesion and relevance.    (42L7)
	[10:44] KrzysztofJanowicz: ok    (42L8)
	[10:45] KrzysztofJanowicz: @MarkFox: yes, variety is the key    (42L9)
	[10:45] KrzysztofJanowicz: +1 for heterogeneity and mappings    (42LA)
	[10:45] PeterYim: MarkFox: inclusion of "data analytics" into track 4    (42LB)
	[10:45] AmandaVizedom: +1 for explicit inclusion of Data Analytics & heterogeneity in concerns of 
	(Big) data track    (42LC)
	[10:45] MarkFox: I have to go.    (42LD)
	[10:46] FrancescaQuattri: About what I tried to say: (1) who's the final reader (in the sense of: Do 
	we plan to scratch the surface with a theoretical guideline or to propose real-case scenarios and 
	case studies)? (answer given) (2) some of the challenges from the ontological point of view are 
	given (Michael's slides), but what about the challenges from the point of view of Semantic Web and 
	BD? and finally (3) Why? What are the advantage in our joint effort? What do we plan to achieve? The 
	focus, from my personal point of view, should be on the users    (42LE)
	[10:46] GaryBergCross: I like that connection of variety and vast heterogeneity (V&V)    (42LF)
	[10:46] KrzysztofJanowicz: +1    (42LG)
	[10:47] MikeBennett: IS it about patterns or about meaning?    (42LH)
	[10:48] GaryBergCross: Semantic content??    (42LI)
	[10:48] MikeBennett: Common reusable content in Track 1: Agree    (42LJ)
	[10:48] AmandaVizedom: ontological content?    (42LK)
	[10:49] MikeBennett: Common reusable semantic content    (42LL)
	[10:49] AmandaVizedom: (making clear vs. data content)    (42LM)
	[10:49] MichaelGruninger: Track 1: Common Reusable Semantic Content    (42LN)
	[10:49] AmandaVizedom: +1 for Common reusable semantic content    (42LO)
	[10:49] GaryBergCross: I Like including semantic/ontological analysis in this - it doesn't have to 
	be in the title.    (42LP)
	[10:51] MikeBennett: Semantic Web applications => Semantic Technology applications ?    (42LQ)
	[10:51] MarcelaVegetti: +1 for Common Reusable Semantic Content    (42LR)
	[10:51] GaryBergCross: @MikeBennett Yes technology is the broader concept.    (42LS)
	[10:52] MikeBennett: I have to drop off at the top of the hour. I suggest that you volunteer me for 
	Track 1 so that I can say I had no choice in the matter.    (42LT)
	[10:52] AndreaWesterinen: I will volunteer for Track 1 Co-champion    (42LU)
	[10:52] ChristophLange: +1 for Common Reusable Semantic Content    (42LV)
	[10:53] GaryBergCross: I know that there is current work on reasoning tools, but might we include 
	knowledge acquisition tools too??    (42LW)
	[10:54] KrzysztofJanowicz: Pascal and I could do that if it would be the proposed bottleneck topic    (42LX)
	[10:54] ShariqAhmedTariq: wouldn't Scalability issues be associated with track 4?    (42LY)
	[10:54] AmandaVizedom: Common Reusable Semantic Content nicely covers potential subtopics such as: - 
	What exists? How is it created & shared? Patterns & Methodologies for creation and sharing? What are 
	some major challenges?    (42LZ)
	[10:54] MichaelGruninger: Track 3: Overcoming Ontology Engineering Bottlenecks    (42M0)
	[10:55] MelanieCourtot: Sorry, I need to leave too.    (42M1)
	[10:56] MarcelaVegetti: +1 for Overcoming Ontology Engineering Bottlenecks    (42M2)
	[10:56] GaryBergCross: I like the bottleneck idea too.    (42M3)
	[10:57] PeterYim: for those volunteering to help organize -see: 
	http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_12_05#nid42CQ    (42M4)
	[10:57] PeterYim: First organizing committee meeting tomorrow - Fri 2013.12.06 - 2-Hr meeting 
	starting: 6:30am PST / 9:30am EST / 3:30pm CET / 14:30 GMT/UTC - see: 
	http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014/GettingOrganized#nid42AW    (42M5)
	[10:57] KrzysztofJanowicz: this is 6:30 am PT?    (42M6)
	[10:58] MichaelGruninger: @Krzysztof: this will not be the regular time -- just for tomorrow    (42M7)
	[10:58] PeterYim: @Krzysztof: yes, unfortunately (for you and I) ... the standing organizing 
	committee meeting time has been Fridays 8:00am PST / 11:00am EST ... (tomorrow is special)    (42M8)
	[10:58] TimFinin: yes to analytics!    (42M9)
	[10:58] KrzysztofJanowicz: okay :-)    (42MA)
	[10:59] MichaelGruninger: Track 4: Tackling the Variety Problem with Big Data?    (42MB)
	[11:15] MichaelGruninger: @Gary: The reference to variety in the title is merely the focus of the 
	application of ontologies to Big Data    (42MC)
	[11:03] GaryBergCross: @MichaelGruninger Tackling the Variety Problem with Big Data doesn't seem 
	right. Big data has a big heterogeneity problem but big data by itself doesn't solve it.    (42MD)
	[11:17] GaryBergCross: Michael OK changing to "in" resolved it.    (42ME)
	[11:00] AndreaWesterinen: I have to go. I will be on the call tomorrow. Thank you.    (42MF)
	[11:00] FrancescaQuattri: question to Peter: is the communique off the tracks? is it supposed to be 
	an overview of the topics and/or the tracks' work? I cannot remember    (42MG)
	[11:03] PeterYim: @FrancescaQuattri - the communique will provide a synthesis of the track 
	discourse, and present an agreed position by those involved in the summit    (42MH)
	[11:04] PeterYim: TimFinin: will advise whether can help in co-championing track 4    (42MI)
	[11:04] TimFinin: I have to sign off now. Bye...    (42MJ)
	[11:05] PeterYim: thanks, Tim ... please try to join us tomorrow if you can    (42MK)
	[11:01] MikeBennett: OK I have to drop off the call now.    (42ML)
	[11:01] PeterYim: will you be there tomorrow, MikeBennett?    (42MM)
	[11:02] MikeBennett: Yes    (42MN)
	[11:02] PeterYim: great, talk to you tomorrow, Mike ... bye!    (42MO)
	[11:08] PeterYim: need volunteers across the board - see roles we need to fill: 
	http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014#nid423Q    (42MP)
	[11:11] AmandaVizedom: I need to think about what I can best contribute this year, but will plan to 
	join tomorrow's call.    (42MQ)
	[11:11] PeterYim: great ... thank you, Amanda!    (42MR)
	[10:16] PeterYim: @UAMS - Shariq ... can we have your full name, please    (42MS)
	[10:25] ShariqAhmedTariq: @PeterYim - Shariq Ahmed Tariq from UAMS (University of Arkansas for 
	Medical Sciences)    (42MT)
	[10:26] PeterYim: thank you, Shariq ... drop me an email, if you are not already on the 
	[ontology-summit] mailing list, so I can get you subscribed    (42MU)
	[11:14] PeterYim: ALL, I will subscribe those who rsvp'd to this session (particularly, those who 
	emailed me, since I already have your email addresses). If you are not subscribed to the 
	[ontology-summit] mailing list yet, please do so - 
	http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontology-summit 
	(or drop me a line - peter.yim [at] cim3.com)    (42MV)
	[11:16] PeterYim: ALL, Please mark you calendars for the OntologySummit2014 Launch Event - Thu 
	2014.01.16 (same time)    (42MW)
	Those who are planning to join us in the organizing committee, please note that the first meeting is 
	early tomorrow - Fri 2013.12.06 - 2-Hr meeting starting: 6:30am PST / 9:30am EST / 3:30pm CET / 
	 14:30 GMT/UTC - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_12_05#nid42CQ    (42MX)
	[11:17] KrzysztofJanowicz: bye bye    (42MY)
	[11:17] PeterYim: great session!    (42MZ)
	[11:17] PeterYim: -- session ended: 11:17am PST --    (42N0)
    -- end of in-session chat-transcript --    (41TO)

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