[ontolog] Member Conference Call - Thu 2006-11-02 (R4I)
Conference Call Details (R4J)
- Subject: [ontolog] member conference call Thu 2006-11-02 (R4K)
- Date: Thursday, November 2, 2006 (R4L)
- Start Time: 10:30am PST / 1:30pm EST / 7:30pm CET / 18:30 GMT/UTC & Midnight in India (R6T)
- ref: World Clock (R4M)
- Expected Call Duration: 1.5 hour (R4N)
- there will be an additional 2nd session, mainly for the Ontolog and ONION project administrators ... but everyone interested is welcomed to join us. See timing below (R7K)
- Dial-in Number: (R4O)
- from a telephone (US): +1-712-432-4990 (Iowa, USA) (long distance costs apply) (R4P)
- from a phone (Europe): 0870-119-1313 (UK) or 01805 00 7620 (Germany) (long distance costs apply) (R4Q)
- callers from other countries please dial into either one of the US or European numbers (long distance costs apply) (R7L)
- Conference ID: "5823120#" (R4S)
- Direct call from Skype: +990008275823120 (R4R)
- see operation details below. (R70)
- Agenda Comments: (R4T)
- please post any suggested agenda items to the call wiki page and upload any material to be shared to the list, to the wiki or by WebDAV upload prior to the meeting (R4U)
- VNC session (if needed) will be started 5 minutes before the call at: http://vnc2.cim3.net:5800/ (R4V)
- Wiki page for this call (i.e. this page) is at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_11_02 (R4Y)
Attendees (R4Z)
- Attended: (R50)
- PeterYim (R6U)
- AtillaElci (R8Q)
- MatthewWest (R8N)
- KurtConrad (R6W)
- PeterBrown (R8O)
- BobSmith (R6V)
- JeffreySchiffel (R52)
- RexBrooks (R8R)
- Phil Loomis (ISHK, Boston, US) (R8T)
- EMichaelMaximilien (R6Y)
- CarlMattocks (4pm EST 2nd-session only) (R6X)
- Expecting: (R51)
- Regrets: (R53)
- SteveRay (traveling) (R6Z)
- LisaColvin (R86)
Agenda Ideas (candidate items to be adopted into the agenda for discussion) (R54)
- testing on the "highspeedconferencing.com" service - ref. http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2006-11/msg00000.html#nid04 (R55)
- continuation of the Ontolog community planning (R56)
- picking up from where we left off at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_10_05#nidQJU (R57)
- discussing, in particular, about sponsorships, funding and sustainability of the community (something we postponed from the above session) (R58)
- coordinating the startup of the ONION project within the Ontolog community setting (R59)
- in view of the availability of CarlMattocks, we're going to talk about this item starting at 4:00pm EST / 1:00 pm PST (same day Thu 2006.11.02) instead of including the item in the main call session. (R5A)
- ...(add suggested items here)... (R5B)
Agenda & Proceedings (R5C)
1) Welcome & confirmation of agenda (R5D)
- KurtConrad took the chair and welcomed everyone. (R5E)
2) Appointment of secretary to take minutes (R5F)
3) Roll-call of participants (R5H)
- Welcome new Ontolog members - new [ontolog-forum] members (since 2006.10.05): (R5J)
- MichelBiezunski - (Infoloom, USA) (R5K)
- AndreasTolk (Old Dominion University, USA) (R5L)
- FabianNeuhaus (University at Buffalo, USA) (R5M)
- JamesZaiss (Austin Community College, USA) (R5N)
4) Upcoming meeting & event schedule (near future) (R5O)
- Scheduled Ontolog Events: (R5P)
- Thu 2006.11.16 - 2nd DatabaseAndOntology Event: Matthewest on "From Ontology to Data Model: Choices and Design Decisions" - (MatthewWest / PeterYim) - see: ConferenceCall_2006_11_16 (R5R)
- Thu 2006.11.30 - "Ontology Applications & Implementations Panel Discussion - Take-II" - Co-Moderator: DuaneNickull & KurtConrad - see: ConferenceCall_2006_11_30/Prep (R5S)
- Thu 2006.12.14 - invited speaker: ChrisChute - (PeterYim / MarkMusen) - see: ConferenceCall_2006_12_14 (R5T)
- Thu 2006.12.21 - 2nd OntologyMeasurementEvaluation Event: BarrySmith on "Ontology Evaluation in Biomedicine: The OBO Foundry Initiative" - (SteveRay / PeterYim) - see: ConferenceCall_2006_12_21 (R5U)
- Other upcoming events of interest - see: RelevantEventsOfInterest2006 (R5V)
5) Communications, logistics, & work protocols issues (R5X)
- in view of the the recent conferencing problems, ref. http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2006-11/msg00000.html (R9U)
- we are testing out, at this session, the new service (highspeedconferncing.com) with both phone and skype support, we are potentially migrating over to. see item 8a below (R8S)
6) Follow-ups from previous calls (R5Y)
7) Current Project Status Report (R5Z)
- Status CctRepresentation and UblOntology project work (R60)
- Status of ProtegeKIF project work (R61)
- status of NHIN-RFI & Health-Ont project work (R62)
- status of OntologTaxoThesaurus project work (R63)
- Planning team report - see item 8b below (R6A)
8) Key Issues discussion: (R6B)
- 8a. testing on the "highspeedconferencing.com" service - ref. http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2006-11/msg00000.html#nid04 (R6C)
- Phone keypad controls: (R71)
- (*1) Play menu of features so you know what's available (R72)
- (*2) Mute your own line so other people can't hear you talking (R73)
- (*3) Unmute your line so you can contribute to the conference (R74)
- (*4) Hear the number of callers who are on the conference (R75)
- (11) To raise your hand so the moderator can unmute your line. (R9Y)
- Features to be tested: (R76)
- landline calls - ok (R77)
- skype calls - ok (R78)
- other VoIP calls - (unknow) (R79)
- mute / unmute - by individual - ok (R7A)
- mute / unmute - by moderator - ok (R7B)
- "Lecture Mode" - mute all, except speaker - ok (R7C)
- Question during Lecture - one person unmuted while in Lecture Mode - ok (R7D)
- "Open Discussion" - check quality - ok (except for dialup lines) (R7E)
- Hand Raising - and handling by moderator - don't seem to be implemented yet on the system; we'll use the convention that if someone wants to ask a question, they just unmute their individual lines. Of course, the IBM queue-management-chat tool has handraising too. (R7F)
- Realtime Instant Messaging (IM or 'chat') via Skype chat - since not everyone is on skype, we'll just continue to use the IBM queue-management-chat tool as before (R7G)
- Recording - testing; including pausing of recording. (R7H)
- Playback of Recording (R7I)
- lots of callers, from different locations - satisfactory, at least for different locations, we had US West, US Central, US East, UK, Austria & Turkey (R7J)
- Observations / Outcome: (R6D)
- people with good bandwidth come through really well; low bandwidth connections yield marginal results (R9V)
- exemplified by PeterBrown from Austria who came through loud and clear on his 2mbps dedicated connection, and AtillaElci from Turkey, whose voice quality was marginal, while connecting in on a dial-up line. (R9W)
- the noise floor was real good, even when people are not muted. (of course, we did not have that many people on the call today. We'll have to find out on a 'real' speaker session when we have dozens of participants.) (R9X)
- PeterBrown / MatthewWest - leaving a couple of second after speaking will help intelligibility (due to varying delays on the voice from people calling in with different technology) (R8V)
- people with good bandwidth come through really well; low bandwidth connections yield marginal results (R9V)
- Phone keypad controls: (R71)
- 8b. Community Planning - facilitated by KurtConrad - Listen (mp3) 59 min. (R6E)
- picking up from where we left off at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_10_05#nidQJU (R6F)
- discussing, in particular, about sponsorships, funding and sustainability of the community (something we postponed from the above session) (R6G)
- Notes on Discussion at this session: (R6H)
- Objectives: (R8W)
- Peter: sponsorships, funding and sustainability of the community (R8X)
- Bob: using "ontologizing / OntologTaxoThesaurus" as a starting point, methodology and means to get sponsorship to help sustainability (R8Y)
- Matthew: anything related to the DatabaseAndOntology series; collabrative authoring of article to be published in wikipedia; contribute to the sponsorship discussion (R8Z)
- Peter: yes, the collaborative authoring of handbook(s) (idea from DougEngelbart's DKR and from the recent MIT CCI HCI project) and pushing it out to wikipedia for an expanded audience (idea from MatthewWest) is great. Hope we can instituitonalize this and make it, as much as we can, a deliverable from all the projects we embark on, as a community. (RA6)
- Attilla: more presence for the Ontolog community, and broaden membership (R90)
- Jeff: get existing Ontolog members to help introduce our name and our available resources to related groups (R94)
- Jeff / Peter / Matthew: possibly having stock posters, and stock slides (standard presentation, 4~5 slides; maybe even 1 slide) that our members can use ... the key would be to encourage our members to do it (R95)
- Jeff: (perspective from system engineering) ontologies can help in standardizing processes, and product life cycles. People understand requirements, but ontological underpinning on process specification would be most helpful. (R91)
- Matthew: ontology could help in the requirement analysis too (R92)
- Bob: NIST, esp. SteveRay's group and the good (MichaelGruninger's) PSL (ISO 18629) work (R93)
- Jeff: get existing Ontolog members to help introduce our name and our available resources to related groups (R96)
- Peter: our body of knowledge is actually accessed than more people than most of us would think (see my 23-Jul-2006 Ontolog Workshop presentation (slides #12 & 12 especially). Our invited talks (slides and audio recording) actually gets downloaded as much as hundreds of times each month even years after they were first made. (RA7)
- Matthew: we should let more people know about these things. (RA8)
- [notes for Peter (added subsequently)]: good idea, maybe we can: (a) provide members the access to our usage records, and (b)start a page to invite more ideas on how we should proceed. (RA9)
- Matthew: ref sponsorship, open to being asked; contribution in kind is easy (also simply because Ontolog is not a legal entity, which isn't necessarily a bad thing), like phone conferencing, commitment of resources in a project, even air fares (exceptionally); (ref Matthew's experience with EPISTLE); (R98)
- Matthew: the secret is - allow people to contribute what they are in a position to contribute (which could change all the time); and not be afraid to ask. (R97)
- Matthew: we should let more people know about these things. (RA8)
- Objectives: (R8W)
- 8c. coordinating the startup of the ONION project within the Ontolog community setting (R6I)
- in view of the availability of CarlMattocks, we're going to talk about this item starting at 4:00pm EST / 1:00 pm PST (same day Thu 2006.11.02) instead of including the item in the main call session. (R6J)
- Input: (R7M)
- from CarlMattocks - see Carl's presentation at CEW#55 (2006.10.24) (R85)
- from PeterYim - following are some thoughts and items that need to be addressed or need clarification (R7N)
- Getting started: (R7O)
- Charter (or Mission Statement) - next week (R7P)
- Project home page on the wiki - ONION - after cwe walkthru session on 16-Nov-2006 (R7Q)
- Date of kick-off meeting - will announce next week (consider using Thursdays, although ONION is not tied to the regular scheduled time due to Carl's meeting conflict) (R7R)
- team organization and structure - post kick-off meeting (R7S)
- Invitation to participate - next week (R7T)
- what does it mean to be a project within Ontolog? (R7U)
- project team members automatically subscribed also as Ontolog members - Yes (Carl) (R7V)
- Peter: we might start an announcement list too (R9G)
- Ontolog IPR and process policies - (R7W)
- Ontology development - methodolgy (ref. the methodology adopted by Ontolog for the UblOntology) (R7Z)
- Ontology - quality assurance (R80)
- leverage our work and working relationship with NIST, NCOR, and members who are from various standards groups etc. (R9J)
- Project / Team - lifecycle (R81)
- still open on organization and leadership (R9K)
- Funding the work and the support (R82)
- what are the alternatives? - we seem to be well aligned; discussion about alternatives is probably not necessary (R83)
- project team members automatically subscribed also as Ontolog members - Yes (Carl) (R7V)
- Discussion: (R6K)
- Carl: getting familiar with the Ontolog process (R9C)
- will issue a general invitation next week - along with a draft charter (R9D)
- Carl to work with Peter, offline, to include the new [onion-forum] subscribers to [ontolog-forum] before the announcement/call-for participation is made. (R9N)
- Peter offers a session to walk Carl (and core ONION players) through the Ontolog-cwe workspace (R9E)
- Carl: suggest we make that a regular Ontolog sessions so that other can join too (Kurt & Peter agrees it'll be nice.) (R9F)
- tentatively fix the session date/time for 16-Nov-2006 4:00~6:00pm EST (R9H)
- Carl / Peter: process and infrastructure for conference call will stay the same across all projects in Ontolog (R9I)
- Carl: suggest we make that a regular Ontolog sessions so that other can join too (Kurt & Peter agrees it'll be nice.) (R9F)
- Kurt: ofering Peter to look into wikicalc (by Dan Bricklin) - see: http://danbricklin.com/log/aboutwikicalc01.htm (R9O)
- Bob: how about a showcase for ONION (R9P)
- Carl: I want to demonstrate that ontologies have value for IT (R9Q)
- Carl: happy with the way things are going. (R9R)
9) New project proposals (R6L)
10) Sponsorship and funding - see item 8b above (R6M)
11) Other business (R6N)
- Jeff: suggest that we make an explicit announcement when it gets to 5 minutes before the end of a session (and try not to run overtime.) (R99)
- point well taken. =ppy (R9A)
- Kurt, Bob and Peter will return for the ONION session shortly. (R9B)
12) Next meeting date and adjourn (R6O)
- Our next meeting/call will be at the Thu 2006.11.16, with the 2nd DatabaseAndOntology mini-series Event - refer to details at: ConferenceCall_2006_11_16 ... talk to you then! (R6P)
- this (1st) call session adjourned 12:18pm PST (R6Q)
- 2nd call session on ONION - started 1:00 pm PST & adjourned 2:19pm PST (R6R)
-- minutes captured in real time on this wiki by PeterYim / 2006.11.02-14:19 PST Attendees are requested to review the notes above, help clean it up, and make amendments and edits to better reflect the proceedings of the session as they see fit (particularly where they are personally involved). =ppy (R6S)
Session Recording of this ConferenceCall_2006_11_02 (R87)
- To download the audio recording of the presentation, click one of the links below (for the corresponding agenda item(s): (RA3)
- 1~8a - incl. conference service testing; 37 min.; 4.3MB. (RA4)
- 8b - Ontolog community planning; 59 min.; 6.8MB. (RA5)
- 8c - ONION project startup coordination 70 min.; 8.1MB. (R89)
- the playback of the audio files require the proper setup, and an MP3 compatible player on your computer. (R8A)
- Date and Time: Nov. 2, 2006, (1~8a; 8b) 10:36am~12:18pm PST; then (8c) 1:05pm~2:19pm PST (R8B)
- Duration of Recording: (1~8a) 37 min; (8b) 59 min; (8c) 70 min. (R8C)
- Recording File Size: (1~8a) 4.3MB; (8b) 6.8MB; (8c) 8.1MB (in mp3 format) (R8D)
- Telephone Playback Expiration Date: Dec. 2, 2006 0:00 AM Pacific Standard Time (R8E)
- Prior to the above Expiration Date, one can call-in and hear the telephone playback of the session. (R8F)
- Playback Dial-in Number: (R8G)
- US: 1-712-432-4999 (long distance costs apply) (R8H)
- UK: 0870 119 2349 (long distance costs apply) (R8I)
- Skype: +990008271111 (R8J)
- non-Skype callers from other countries can dial into either the US or UK number for the playback (long distance costs apply) (R8K)
- Conference ID: 5823120# (R8L)
- Recording Reference Number: (R8M)