[ontolog] Member Conference Call - Thu 2004-12-23 (4GT)
Conference Call Details (4GU)
- Subject: [ontolog] member conference call Thu 2004-12-23 (4GV)
- Agenda Comments: (4GW)
- this session will essentially be devoted to a workshop on putting together a response to the open review and comment invitation from UN/CEFACT on the CCTS v2.01; and be able to submit that before the Jan. 21, 2005 deadline (4GX)
- please post any suggested agenda items to the call wiki page and upload any material to be shared to the list, to the wiki or by WebDAV upload prior to the meeting (4GY)
- Wiki page for this call (i.e. this page) is at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2004_12_23 (4GZ)
- Date: Thursday, Dec. 23, 2004 (4H0)
- Start Time: 10:30 AM PST / 1:30 PM EST World Clock (4H1)
- Expected Call Duration: 1 ~ 1.5 hour (4H2)
- Dial-in Number: 1-702-851-3330 (Las Vegas, Nevada) (4H3)
- Participant Access Code: "686564#" (4H4)
Attendees (4H5)
- Attended: (4H6)
Agenda Ideas (4HL)
- ref our 2004.12.16 call discussion this session will be devoted to working on putting together a response to the open review and comment invitation from UN/CEFACT on the CCTS v2.01 (4HM)
Agenda & Proceedings (4HN)
1) Welcome & confirmation of agenda (4HO)
- KurtConrad___ took the chair and welcomed everyone. (4HP)
2) Appointment of secretary to take minutes (4HQ)
- BobSmith___ volunteered (4HR)
3) Roll-call of participants (4HS)
4) Response to the UN/CEFACT Core Component Technical Specification v2.01 - Ontolog's Feedback, Comments and Recommendations. (4HU)
- Resources: (4HV)
- See worksheet: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/ontology/UBLONT/CCTONT-worksheet-v0-4.html (4HW)
- brief discussion from last week's call - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2004_12_16#nid0118 (4HX)
- our deliverables prepared for the EIDX "semantic harmonization" panel session: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2004_12_01 (4HY)
- CCT-Rep project recommendations page - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CctRepresentation/CctRep_Recommendation (4HZ)
- Terms Graded (A = Useable, No Problems; B= Minor Issues Problems; C: Major Issues or fatal flaws)[nid 54] (4I1)
- Term 1= (4I2)
- Term 2= (4I3)
- Term 3= (4I4)
- Term 4 (4I5)
- Term 5 (4I6)
- Term 6= A (4I7)
- Term 7= C (4I8)
- Term 8 (4I9)
- Term 9 C (4IA)
- Term 10 B (almost an A, but too much ambiguity, is restricted beyond ch string) (4IB)
- 1.1 C (4IC)
- 2.1 A ( (4ID)
- 2-2 B (Not clear diff between text type) (4IE)
- 2-3 B (Packing issue (4IF)
- 2-4 B (4IG)
- 2-5 (Did not get to bottom, if procedure clear = A, else B) (4IH)
- 3-1 B (Unclear? How differ from other character strings?) (4II)
- 3-2 B Code vs Identifier issue again (4IJ)
- 3-3 B "" (4IK)
- 3-4 B (4IL)
- 3-5, 3-6, 3-7 B, Code vs Idenifer (4IM)
- 3-8 B, (Separate item or entry for it..? (4IN)
- 3-9 (4IO)
- 4-1 A (Common sense, point in Time, maybe better..ISO (4IP)
- 5-1 B (Code Vs ID) (4IQ)
- 5-2 A (Just a name, no big deal) (4IR)
- 5-3 B (Challenge of any mapping if have a relation or an item (??) ) (4IS)
- 5-04 B Identification or Name of Identification, if Unique, don't need both (4IT)
- (4J0)
- 701 ___ (4J1)
- 702 B (If read the std it would be clear..) (4J2)
- 7.3 B (Version or Unique Identifier questions) (4J3)
- 8-1 B for Confusion Why need if have elsewhere, but meant to help content with mapping; but now unclear) (4J4)
- 8-2 B for Confusion (AN unclear mapping, needs to be clarified why exists; should have higher level guide to systemic problems....differentia between concepts; we are running into this problem of context a lot); Kurt: the other issue is ref back to to 8.0, but that was too long and needs better context in the way thay introduced the hierarchy (4J5)
- (4J6)
- 9-1 B Redundency 9 Quantity not different, is it the Unit, (4J7)
- 9-2 C Lack of monetary unit, AND Redundency (4J8)
- 9-3 C Gross and Caprisious redundency Redundent with 3-2? (Unique id within lexicon...) (4J9)
- 9-4 B (4JA)
- 9-5 C Because redundent with 903 and above: agency name, why not just give it a name that is human readable (4JB)
- 10 B REDUNDENT with above text strings (4JC)
- 10-2 A Is Clear, a ref to language id standard (4JD)
- 10-3 B where and how id the locale, huge problem with geographic areas; is language and geographic area really linked? Legislative context example by Quebec; Orthogonal; But a locale with more than one language- Switzerland *** Rx ?? the ID of a locale string, is it backwards? Needs just a little more clarification; The Role of Locale is UNCLEAR, we think it is a modifier of language, not needed; and the link to codelist is missing[nid 100] (4JE)
- What are the 4 things that this committee should now do? (4JH)
- (4JK)
- (Too distinct, not to be used) Expected Action: recast the entire standard as SUMO and KIF compliant standard[nid 105] (4JL)
- What needs to be done to deal with this kind of issue? (4JM)
- (4JV)
- Duane: With context framework methodology at lower levels is what makes CCCT really useful (4JW)
5) Other business (4K1)
6) Next meeting date and adjourn (4K2)
- (4K3)
- Next week is out (4K4)
- Hard to get feedback from CCCT group til January (4K5)
- Kurt_ Duane, what is your role? Chair at UN, trying to work on UN strategy and technology picture (4K6)
- But keep tabs on working groups (4K7)
- The specification for a methodology is bigger than either of those two works; BUT would others following their methodology yield same result? Thinks NOT... reproduceability low (4K8)
- Spreadsheet media problems? Code and Identifier (4K9)
- Still need to revisit the methodology process (4KA)
-- minutes captured in real time on this wiki by BobSmith (4KF)