ConferenceCall 2004 08 12

Joint SICoP-Ontolog Conference Call - Thu 2004-08-12    (2RM)

Conference Call Details    (2RN)

• Subject: [SICoP-Ontolog] joint conference call Thu 2004-08-12    (2RO)
  • This is a follow-up session to the first SICoP-Ontolog face-to-face meeting in Washington DC (Wed 2004-07-07 hosted by GSA; see: http://colab.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?SICoP/SICoP_Ontolog_Joint_Meeting_2004_07_07)    (2RP)
• Agenda / Logictics:    (2RQ)
  • please post any suggested agenda items to the call wiki page and upload any material to be shared to the list, to the wiki or by WebDAV upload prior to the meeting    (2RR)
  • VNC session (if needed) will be started 5 minutes before the call at: http://vnc2.cim3.net:5800/    (2RS)
    • view-only password: "ontolog"    (2RT)
    • view-and-control pw: to be supplied during session as needed    (2RU)
  • To contribute, and during the call, please access the wiki page at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2004_08_12    (2RV)
• Date: Thursday, Aug. 12, 2004    (2RW)
• Start Time: 11:30am PDT / 2:30pm EDT    (2RX)
• End Time: 1:30pm PDT / 4:30pm EDT    (2RY)
• Dial-in Number: 1-702-851-3330 (Las Vegas, Nevada)    (2RZ)
• Participant Access Code: "0686564#"    (2S0)

/Attendees    (2S1)

• Individuals or their organization who are interested in participating (as contractors or as volunteers) in projects that will be explored at this call should add their names to the list of interested parties and to furnish some of the information as requested.    (2S2)

Agenda Ideas    (2S3)

• An intro on the work of the new Federal Health Architecture Interoperability WG and PITAC report "Revolutionizing Health Care Through Information Technology" (--BrandNiemann/2004.07.26)    (2S4)
  • This Health Information Technology report is worth a deep evaluation and discussion. A number of related reports from Congress overlap in various ways. ... Placing a few good issues on an agenda for next Thursdays with SICop is a good target. (--BobSmith/2004.07.31)    (2S5)

• discuss whether it is useful, and whether or not we would want to institutionalize these "joint" meetings or calls -- say, doing that once every month, every other month or every quarter? (--PeterYim/2004.08.02)    (2S6)

• Brand's agenda suggestions (2004.08.10)    (2S7)
  • (1) the September 8th Executive Briefing panel for the Second Semantic Technologies for E-Government Conference    (2S8)
    • would like to see [ontolog] represented on the panel    (2S9)
  • (2) a presentation of what SICoP / Ontolog could do for the FHA (proprietary vocabulary-to-open ontology mappings, semantic harmonization across multiple federal databases, etc.)    (2SA)
    • can [ontolog] make a presntation within a month?    (2SB)
  • (3) who else we need to partner with for facilitating funding of a diverse CoP (e.g. MITRE, etc)    (2SC)

• Feedback is requested on the technical approach used in the demo called MedMine (knowledge based mining of health data) at http://www.reengineeringllc.com. The (rather large) file underlying the demo can be downloaded from the "Complete Examples" page at the same site. Thanks in advance for comments, AdrianWalker    (2SD)

• ... (please insert items your would want to see on the agenda here; kindly identify yourselves to facilitate follow-up) ...    (2SE)

Reference Material    (2SF)

• From BrandNiemann:    (2SG)
  • Federal Health Architecture Interoperability WG and PITAC report: Revolutionizing Health Care Through Information Technology - http://www.hpcc.gov/pitac/reports/20040721_hit_report.pdf    (2SH)
  • http://colab.cim3.net/file/resource/reference/health/Primer_on_Environmental_Public_Health_Information_Activities--IMWG-EHDAT_Jul-2004.pdf    (2SI)
  • http://colab.cim3.net/file/resource/reference/health/NLM_Health_Data_Standards_Update_20040806.doc    (2SJ)
  • some pertinent documents mirrored from the FHA-eCommunity-library have been uploaded to (and are accessible at): http://colab.cim3.net/file/resource/reference/health/    (2SK)
    • PeterYim: some of you might also want to take a look at this document entitled "Comments on the PITAC Draft Recommendation on ICD-10/SNOMED (4/13/04)" by Patricia Gibbons. The document is at: http://www.himss.org/content/files/PITAC_ICD10_SNOMED_gibbons05182004.pdf    (2SL)

• From AdrianWalker:    (2SM)
  • a demo of knowledge- and semantics-based mining of health data - see Adrian's post    (2SN)
    • see the live example called MedMine at http://www.reengineeringllc.com    (2SO)

• From RobertGarigue in Canada:    (2SP)
  • see the architectural reference for the Canada EHR (Electronic Health Record) at: http://www.infoway-inforoute.ca/ehr/index.php?lang=en    (2SQ)
    • You can set up an account and get access to the reference architectural documents (--Robert)    (2SR)

Agenda & Proceedings    (2SS)

1) Welcome    (2ST)

• Brand & Peter takes the chair and welcomed everyone.    (2SU)
  • Brand: see HHS website - Secretary Thomson alluded to forming a private consortium, and will be issuing a RFI - ref: ONCHIT    (2SV)
    • Susan: see HHS Fact Sheet    (2SW)
      • Brand & Susan will work with Peter to further explore the possibility of having ontolog participating in the consortium    (2SX)
    • on EHR, see page 25 of the PITAC report, about interoperability (and lack thereof)    (2SY)
    • Brand: should the two communities, SICoP and Ontolog make a joint mission to help: "to semantify eGov enterprise architecture interoperability"?    (2SZ)

2) Appointment of secretary to take minutes    (2T0)

• PeterYim volunteered    (2T1)

3) Roll-call of participants    (2T2)

• see attendees list    (2T3)

4) Upcoming / Standing meeting schedule (this & next month)    (2T4)

• SICoP Events - see: http://web-services.gov/#link3    (2T5)

• Ontolog speakers for the next 2~3 months    (2T6)
  • MichaelGruninger - September 2004, Thu 2004-09-16 - confirmed    (2T7)
  • ChrisMenzel - October 2004, date? (AdamPease)    (2T8)
  • ChrisWelty - status? (BillMcCarthy)    (2T9)
  • MarkMusen    (2TA)
    • Peter invited Mark to be our speaker some time in the future. Also invited Mark (and/or his associates) to particpate in Ontolog-Forum. [Peter will follow up with Mark. Action: Peter / Mark]    (2TB)

5) Discussion: the September 8th Executive Briefing panel for the Second Semantic Technologies for E-Government Conference    (2TC)

• Conference proper on 9/9/04 - 25 paper submitted    (2TD)
• would like to see [ontolog] represented on the 9/8/04 Executive Briefing panel (organized by Irene Polikoff & Tony Stanco)    (2TE)
  • members who are going to be there: Brand, Susan, Leo, Peter, Adrian, Bob (maybe; submitted paper with Kurt), Bo (60% chance), Bill (30% chance).    (2TF)
    • Peter will follow up with those who are expected to be there on Ontolog's representation on their Executive Briefing panel. [Peter]    (2TG)
  • make sure people register at the topquadrant site (needs that for MITRE security clearance). Leo & Brand suggest we register early because they may have to turn down people when the auditorium reaches capacity.    (2TH)

6) Discussion: a presentation of what SICoP / Ontolog could do for the FHA, in terms of their:    (2TI)

• "to semantify enterprise architecture interoperability"    (2TJ)
  • proprietary vocabulary-to-open ontology mappings, and    (2TK)
  • semantic harmonization across multiple federal databases, etc.    (2TL)

• Adrian asked if there will be access to sample data    (2TM)
  • Brand responses that we'll have to work on that, as health data confidentiality is crucial. Dummy data, maybe? [Action: Brand will work on this and get back to us]    (2TN)

• Paul Koch: not aware of ontolog previously <http://www.kevric.com>    (2TO)
  • will be talking to Brand a little more to try to plug into the semantic technologies    (2TP)
  • have people working with Protege at Kevric now    (2TQ)

• can [ontolog] make a presentation within a month?    (2TR)
  • Brand: maybe October '04? They meet every 2 weeks.    (2TS)
    • MedMine and Canadian EHR material are both good, so is an intro to Ontolog    (2TT)
    • Peter: we look forward to be on their agenda. We could be ready with, say, with a couple of weeks' notice.    (2TU)

• put a link of this discussion onto the FHA workspace - Brand will notify them first, and Peter could follow up    (2TV)
  • Susan will arrange for Peter to call into the FHA 8/2604 meeting [Action: Susan]    (2TW)
  • Peter can present the link and propose our presentation (possibly Sep. 23, 2004) [Action: Peter]    (2TX)

7) Sponsorship and funding    (2TY)

• Brand: ref http://componenttechnology.org - lining up entrepreneurs and seed and early stage investors.    (2TZ)
  • Bill asked if open source projects are acceptable    (2U0)
    • Brand responses that "open source" is very much welcomed and encouraged    (2U1)
    • Susan also mentioned that at the state level, people are setting up "open code consortium" at several states    (2U2)
    • Brand: case example vivissimo - got funding to develop their clustering search engine technology    (2U3)
    • Adam mentioned that SUMO was funded by phase-I & II SBIR grants (Brand says he'll want Adam at the Oct.04 conference as a "success story")    (2U4)
      • Brand also suggested that Adam should contact Dan Loague about phase-III funding    (2U5)

• Discussion: who else we need to partner with for facilitating funding of a diverse CoP (e.g. MITRE, etc)    (2U6)
  • Brand: EPA is putting $70 million into a small business consortium to break out of the more traditional funding modes (see http://web-services.gov)    (2U7)
    • groundswell of renewed interest to found communities of practice    (2U8)
    • MITRE has an advisory role, and does not compete with business    (2U9)
  • a number of things have yet to be worked out as "communities" are not quite recognized as organizations that could be funded or contracted to    (2UA)
    • Brand: we will need to discuss this more to come up with suggestions on viable arrangements    (2UB)
      • successful completion of phase I & II of SBIR will be automatically on the GSA schedule    (2UC)
  • Ground rule: Brand and Susan will only go as far as putting people in touch with each other    (2UD)
  • Brand: Ontolog members would need to come up with an answer to the question of "How can we fund you?" - be ready with that by your presentation    (2UE)
  • Carl asked about SBIR - a good contact: maurice.swinton@sba.gov    (2UF)

•    (2UG)
  • Mark: protege/SMI works under the unbrella of Stanford University - particularly on the Protege / OWL platform    (2UH)
    • open to working with teaming up on joint-proposals, or as subcontractors (like the case with Kevric in NCI projects)    (2UI)
    • could also work as individuals as consultants    (2UJ)
    • as an example: already on a pilot to put SNOMED into OWL    (2UK)

•    (2UL)
  • Susan: try contacting also Veteran Health Administration - Peter Groen, Director of Health IT Sharing program    (2UM)
    • see Aug 17, 2004 Collaboration Expedition workshop page - http://colab.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ExpeditionWorkshop/HarvestingBestPracticesUsingCommunitiesofPracticeEA_2004_08_17    (2UN)
    • members here are invited to join remotely    (2UO)
    • additional resource Susan alerted us to (subsequent to this call):    (2UP)
      • http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2004-09/msg00001.html    (2UQ)
      • http://www.va.gov/vhaitsharing/ (re: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2004-09/msg00003.html)    (2UR)

8) Project Status Report (- Ontolog regular order of business):    (2US)

• Status of Protege-KIF project work    (2UT)
  • no report: PatCassidy is on vacation in Africa    (2UU)

• Status of CCT-Representation project work    (2UV)
  • deferred to the next call    (2UW)

9) Other business    (2UX)

• Brand: what do we mean by "to semantify enterprise architecture interoperability"    (2UY)
  • George Thomas will be presenting again Wed 8/18/04 2-4pm EDT - (see his Jan 26, '04 presentation at the http://componenttechnology.org conference) - if interested, Susan might be able to get us participating remotely. [Action: Susan]    (2UZ)
    • SteveRay is expected to be there too.    (2V0)
    • Mark couldn't join the session, but would want to get a copy of the presentation    (2V1)
  • Adrian suggested that his "Semantic Web Presentation" at www.reengineeringllc.com will help with defining what "semantify" would mean    (2V2)

• AdrianWalker requests comments on the technical approach used in his MedMine demo. see: above    (2V3)

• discuss whether it is useful, and whether or not we would want to institutionalize these "joint" meetings or calls -- say, doing that once every month, every other month or every quarter?    (2V4)
  • Brand: we need at least one more call to finalize the presentation    (2V5)
  • Brand: if ontolog plays a role in the FHA private consortia,    (2V6)

10) Next meeting date and adjourn    (2V7)

• for Ontolog - next Thu 2004.08.19 10:30am PDT    (2V8)
• for SICoP-Ontolog joint call - Thu 2004.09.02 1:30pm EDT / 10:30am PDT    (2V9)
  • will sync up on the FHA arrangements and prepare ourselves for the presentation to them.    (2VA)

• this call was adjourned at 2004.08.12 16:20pm EDT / 13:20 PDT    (2VB)

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 ppy /2004.08.12 13:23 PDT    (2VC)

 Please review above. All attendees are welcomed to make corrections, amendments and updates. Thanks. -ppy    (2VD)