Dear Colleagues, (01)
I'd like to add my weight to this comment from Chris Welty: (02)
"The biggest problem here is precisely this position of arrogance
stemming from a belief that computer scientists have invented
something new. I thought so, too, when I started doing this two
decades ago as a computer scientist. But I was wrong; ontology is
very, very, old. The only thing we (computer scientists) have added
are ways to implement, test, and run them." (03)
I support very strongly the idea that we need to have a definition
of ontology that embraces this. (04)
Regards (05)
Matthew West
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Chris
> Welty
> Sent: 20 April 2007 14:37
> To: Ontology Summit 2007 Forum
> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Ontology Framework Draft Statement for
> the Ontology Summit
>
>
>
>
> Tom Gruber wrote:
> > John Sowa wrote:
> >> 1. I don't believe that the definitions in philosophy and
> >> computer science differ in any significant way.
> >> 3. If possible, we should adopt a common definition that
> >> is acceptable to both fields
> >
> > The draft document is written as a logical walk down a set
> of distinctions,
> > so that we could discuss the source of disagreements and
> clearly identify
> > the point of departure. John's objections to the first and
> most fundamental
> > distinction (philosophy vs. computer science word senses)
> makes evident the
> > reason why certain topics are never "put to rest" by
> philosophers and other
> > dialectic sportsmen. To say there is no difference between
> what a professor
> > of Aristotelian ontology means by ontology and what a bioinformatics
> > computer scientist managing a gene database means is absurd.
>
> Wow. I find the absurdity the other way around - and I have studied
> both. No matter what you study you will have armchair theoreticians
> and hands-on practitioners. Sounds to me like that is the
> distinction
> you are alluding to here. All ontology, whether practiced by
> "philosophers" or "computer scientists" is grounded in the
> same things.
>
> The biggest problem here is precisely this position of arrogance
> stemming from a belief that computer scientists have invented
> something new. I thought so, too, when I started doing this two
> decades ago as a computer scientist. But I was wrong; ontology is
> very, very, old. The only thing we (computer scientists) have added
> are ways to implement, test, and run them.
>
> -Chris
>
>
> --
> Dr. Christopher A. Welty IBM Watson Research Center
> +1.914.784.7055 19 Skyline Dr.
> cawelty@xxxxxxxxx Hawthorne, NY 10532
> http://www.research.ibm.com/people/w/welty
>
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