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Chat transcript from room: oor_20120117
2012-01-17 GMT-08:00

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[08:17] PeterYim: Welcome to the

= OpenOntologyRepository: Metadata Workshop-V - Tue 2012_01_17 =

Topic: OOR Metadata Workshop-V: Crosswalk between OMV & CTS2, 
                 and other relevant work by the NIH/NCI-ORWG 

Session Chair: MichaelGruninger (University of Toronto)

Panelists from NIH/NCI ORWG: 
* HaroldSolbrig (Mayo Clinic) 
* SherriDeCoronado (NCI/NIH) 
* BrianDavis (3rd Millennium / Booz Allen Hamilton)

Session page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2012_01_17

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 == Proceedings: == 
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[08:16] anonymous morphed into Harold Solbrig

[08:21] anonymous morphed into LiamDGray

[08:22] anonymous morphed into TomTinsley

[08:28] anonymous morphed into RickKiefer

[08:31] My Coyne: How do I indicate other people in the same room with me?

[08:32] AmandaVizedom1 morphed into AmandaVizedom

[08:32] anonymous morphed into GilbertoFragoso

[08:33] anonymous morphed into Sherri de Coronado

[08:33] anonymous2 morphed into Troy Bleeker (Mayo)

[08:33] anonymous1 morphed into Dale Suesse

[08:36] anonymous morphed into James Odell

[08:44] RickKiefer: Harold is unable to connect to vpn. Please reference this copy of the slides - http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OpenOntologyRepository/OOR-metadata-workshop/OMV-CTS2-Crosswalk--HaroldSolbrig_20120117.pdf

[08:51] anonymous morphed into Dean Allemang

[08:54] MichaelGruninger: Note that we are now on slide 21 (not 26 as Harold just said)

[08:56] PeterYim: @MyCoyne - please post (on this chat space) the names of people who are with you now, if you please - I'll capture that into the attendees roster later.

[09:22] James Odell: OK

[09:28] Dean Allemang: Darn! My call just dropped. I was interested in understanding how CTS2 versions works with OWL2 versioning. The call dropped while he was explaining this.

[09:29] PeterYim: @Dean - hope you can call back in

[09:30] PeterYim: on slide#54 now

[09:31] PeterYim: on slide#55 [9:31am PST]

[09:31] Dean Allemang: I made it back in a minute later, but that was too late for this discussion

[09:34] PeterYim: @Dean - we'll have some time for Q&A and open discussion

[09:34] Dean Allemang: that's right

[09:34] Dean Allemang: and those versions are all related together according to the OWL2 standard?

[09:35] Dean Allemang: that's right

[09:35] Dean Allemang: even in production, that can be a problem

[09:35] Dean Allemang: thanks

[09:38] ToddSchneider: A question: How did use of REST help?

[09:39] Harold Solbrig: @Todd - identifying the resources, assigning identity, determining which characteristics are key vs. accidental was one aspect.

[09:39] Harold Solbrig: The second was the removal of dependencies - our earlier models had containment models

[09:40] ToddSchneider: Harold, thank you.

[09:40] Harold Solbrig: COde systems "contained" definitions. REST made us refactor into "Class describedIn Version"

[09:40] Harold Solbrig: Especially important as in the Semantic Web world, Class to ontologyVersion is n..m

[09:40] ToddSchneider: Harold, could you remind me of the definition of 'code system'?

[09:41] My Coyne: Where do I get Sheri's presentation, please?

[09:41] Harold Solbrig: Code set, classification system, thesaurus, ontology, glossary

[09:41] MikeBennett: With terminology you've also got the whole ISO 1087 / SBVR world of terms.

[09:42] Harold Solbrig: @Todd - some people use "Ontology" to represent all of those things, but then you need a different term for small "ontology"

[09:42] ToddSchneider: Harold, got it. Short memory span.

[09:42] PeterYim: @My - Sherri doesn't have slides, she is introducing the ORWG and their work - see: https://wiki.nci.nih.gov/display/VCDE/Ontology+Representation+WG

[09:43] ToddSchneider: Some people don't understand many things.

[09:43] ToddSchneider: Harold, how would you see CTS2 fitting into the OOR architecture?

[09:43] Harold Solbrig: The number of things that I don't understand is infinite.

[09:44] ToddSchneider: Harold, you have a start - a rough metric:)

[09:44] Harold Solbrig: CTS2 could serve as one of the REST (and, perhaps SOAP) API's to allow federation and sharing.

[09:44] Harold Solbrig: The advantage being that you don't necessarily HAVE to absorb everything.

[09:45] Harold Solbrig: You can reference other catalogs elsewhere on the net.

[09:45] ToddSchneider: Ken, do you something like CTS2 as part of the workflow engine?

[09:46] ToddSchneider: A goal of the OOR architecture is provide a specification (in the sense that Harold described).

[09:54] ToddSchneider: Harold, did I understand you correctly that the CTS2 specification is not publicly available yet?

[09:56] Harold Solbrig: @Todd - public. Available from the OMG site or the CTS2 URL I sent. Again, a bit opaque and being clarified...

[09:57] DeborahMacPherson: Great Presentation! Got a lot from it - thanks - need to take off for another conference call.

[09:59] KenBaclawski: @Todd - it is not part of the workflow engine. The workflow engine is configurable so it should be possible to specify CTS2 as one possible workflow.

[10:00] ToddSchneider: We should consider the use of CTS2 in the OOR for terminology mediation.

[10:02] ToddSchneider: Harold, thank you for an excellent presentation. Have to go.

[10:04] Harold Solbrig: Thanks. I'm going to have to go in about 2 minutes as well.

[10:06] PeterYim: great session, thanks everyone!

[10:06] MikeBennett: Thanks all!

[10:07] PeterYim: -- session ended 10:06am PST --