ppy/oor-metadata-01_chat-transcript_unedited_20110318a.txt Chat transcript from room: oor_20110318 2011-03-18 GMT-08:00 [06:00] PeterYim: Welcome to the ... OpenOntologyRepository: OOR Metadata Workshop-I - Fri 2011_03_18 (2MRJ) Topic: OOR Metadata Workshop-I (2Q8X) Session Chair: MichaelGruninger (2Q8Y) Please see details on session page at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_03_18 . [06:12] PeterYim: MichaelGruninger briefs group with his presentation "The Future of Ontology Metadata?" ... essentially to start the discussion today [06:17] PeterYim: Leo: ref. the discussion about "configuration" from the Architecture-API workshops in the last couple of weeks [06:17] PeterYim: see references under: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_03_18#nid2Q8Q [06:18] MichaelGruninger: Earlier OOR meetings have introduced the notion of configuration. How is this related to the specification of relationships between modules. [06:18] PeterYim: assuming metadata (requirement, implementing into gatekeeping, etc.) is a key piece of the puzzle ... How do we move from "sandbox" to "production" OOR ... maybe we can use that as our use case scenario that might drive this discussion [06:22] MichaelGruninger: We should make a distinction between two different scenarios -- 1) we have a use case that requires metadata that in some way conflicts with OMV; 2) we have a use case that requires new kinds of metadata. If all of our use cases are in the same category, then we can adopt OMV but develop / propose our own extensions. [06:24] MikeDean: There's a good depiction of OMV at http://omv2.sourceforge.net/description.html. I assume it's current. [06:24] MikeDean: Remove the terminating . in the link above. [06:25] Frank Olken: Michael, What software tools are you using for the development of the COLORE ontologies? [06:26] ToddSchneider: Leo, are you talking about historical usage information? [06:27] PeterYim: Thanks, Mike - for the http://omv2.sourceforge.net/description.html link - I've added that to the OMV page on our wiki as well - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OMV [06:29] ToddSchneider: Maybe whatever OOR uses for metadata needs to modular itself. [06:30] MichaelGruninger: What is the distinction between semantic versioning and ontology versioning that is closer to software versioning (a la SVN and CVS) [06:33] Frank Olken: Does OMV have any notion of authoritative source documents (e.g., legal code, federal regulation, etc.) for an ontology? [06:33] MichaelGruninger: @Frank: We are mainly building our own tools, but Cameron Ross at Kojeware has also been developing Common Logic parsers, validators, editors, etc [06:33] Tim Darr: @Michael: are those tools available? KBSI might be interested in using them. [06:34] MichaelGruninger: @Todd: Contact Cameron (cross @ kojeware.com) [06:35] MichaelGruninger: Sorry, that contact info was for Tim's question [06:36] Tim Darr: @Michael: Thanks! [06:36] Frank Olken: Some of the issues (e.g., administrative metadata) are addressed by ISO/IEC 11179 (Edition 3 of Part 3 is currently being progressed to a new ISO standard.) [06:37] Frank Olken: ISO/IEC 11179 is described in UML - could be converted OWL (Kevin Keck may have done this.) [06:38] Frank Olken: ISO/IEC 11179 is a generic metadata registry standard. [06:39] KenBaclawski: @Frank: The gatekeeper prototype is based on ISO/IEC 11179, but it is not yet integrated with the OOR sandbox. [06:41] PeterYim: @FrankOlken: KenBaclawski's gatekeeper is employing ISO 11179 [06:42] KenBaclawski: See http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/kenb/ontologies/ for the use cases that have been collected so far. [06:42] MikeDean: Michael has been using the v2.4.1 report, which includes the v2.4 figure link above. Reviewer is part of the Evaluation extension. [06:43] PeterYim: ref. the Architecture - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_03_11#nid2PQH - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_03_11#nid2PQH [06:44] PeterYim: (previous link s/b) http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/kenb/oor/workflow.pdf [06:46] Frank Olken: Oops, I have been disconnected from the call, will call back in. [06:47] Frank Olken: I am back on the call. [06:53] ToddSchneider: We will review OOR use cases that will require additional elements for OMV or elements of OMV that are inconsistent with OMV. [06:54] ToddSchneider: Sorry for the delay. I turned a VPN connection on. [07:00] Frank Olken: Folks, I need to head off to a previously scheduled early morning medical appointment. Bye. [07:01] PeterYim: thanks for joining us, Frank [07:03] ToddSchneider: Have to go. [07:06] PeterYim: the issue of the OOR providing a persistent URI for a ontology, or the finer granular parts of it, when the ontology moves from different repository instances (as in federated OORs) and from version to version - that needs to be discussed in the context of metadata, as well as independently [07:19] MichaelGruninger: Action Item 1: Evaluate the adequacy of OMV with respect to the OOR use cases at http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/kenb/ontologies/ [07:20] MichaelGruninger: Action Item 2: Focus on issues related to "production" OOR, particularly the gatekeeper functionality. [07:24] PeterYim: @Michael and All - please review http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_03_18#nid2QDE [07:25] PeterYim: next week is Architecture-API again [07:25] PeterYim: after that, a regular OOR team meeting [07:25] PeterYim: Ken will be away until Apr-11 [07:27] PeterYim: -- session ended: 7:26am PDT -- [07:27] PeterYim: great meeting, bye!